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re: 2021 NBA Trade thread BREAKING: Bagley to Pistons in 4 team deal

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Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:02 pm to
Ooooweee New York media is in an absolute tizzy about Zion now. Radio call in shows, tweets etc.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:06 pm to
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There's some belief that Powell would be open to a new destination. Negotiations over his five-year deal to re-sign in Portland this summer hit several snags, according to league sources, and Powell certainly eyed other destinations, such as New Orleans. The Pelicans do happen to be searching for significant upgrades in their quest to rebound into the play-in tournament, sources said, although McCollum would seem to make more sense as a target for New Orleans. LINK
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:09 pm to
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searching for significant upgrades in their quest to rebound into the play-in tournament


This concerns me. Taking someone like Powell into the trade exception is fine. Paying assets to trade for a player to make the Play In in a year where making the playoffs cost you a 1st is stupid.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:11 pm to
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He's not the disaster I thought he'd be


He's not a disaster. Pretty good compliment.

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He is a potential defensive monster


I guess

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improving on offense.


If he were on the Pelicans. He would absolutely be considered a bust. He's averaging 2.5 rebounds and 1 assist a game. I mean I guess I could get excited about his offense because he makes .4 more 3's a game than Garret Temple. Woo hoo.

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Reddish also could fit with Jones/Ingram in a post-Zion world.


Man if he's part of your big 3 then that team is in major trouble.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:13 pm to
Powell would be better long term for this team than CJ, is younger and on a far better contract.

I would send pretty much anything Portland wants pick wise.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:13 pm to
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No one wanted to trade for Reddish because he is not good enough to warrant the monster contract he is about to demand.
If that is true, who is going to pay him that monster contract? He can demand all he wants, but if there is not a market, he has to settle for reality.
Posted by TechTiger
Running an easy 10
Member since Feb 2007
1455 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:14 pm to
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With Powell’s new contract, that’s an overpay. I think we’d offer to let them dump him into out TPE for free.


His contract is better than Fournier’s…if you think it won’t cost that much, he would provide a much needed spark for bench scoring.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22201 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:14 pm to
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This concerns me. Taking someone like Powell into the trade exception is fine. Paying assets to trade for a player to make the Play In in a year where making the playoffs cost you a 1st is stupid.
Yeah, we're in a pickle. The reason we're in even in the market is because the guys we'd be most likely to put in a trade, haven't produced.

NAW and Jaxson are the most likely guys, but do they have any value? Same with Kira and his ACL.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12938 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:16 pm to
He's on a 5 year deal deal. If they make a trade for him, then it's much more than making moves to make the play in. They would have to believe that he is going to be a core player for the next couple of years.
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1880 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:18 pm to
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The Pelicans do happen to be searching for significant upgrades in their quest to rebound into the play-in tournament, sources said,


Please god don’t let Griffin cripple us any further to try and save his job. Just let the young guys play and grow, and the dysfunction of the roster construction and injuries will take care of the rest. Get a top tier player in this draft, look to improve next year, and compete in 2023 and beyond.

We’ve been handed a gift, don’t overthink this
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 12:20 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:22 pm to
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His contract is better than Fournier’s…if you think it won’t cost that much, he would provide a much needed spark for bench scoring.
How is his contract better? He has double the guaranteed contract remaining than Fournier ($74 million versus $37 million). I would like Powell if they are looking to unload a contract into our TPE for a player and/or a heavily protected 1st. However, not sure I would give them whatever they want in the way of picks. If we still had Ball, he would be a nice fit. However, next to Graham, it would be a small backcourt.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:22 pm to
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He's on a 5 year deal deal. If they make a trade for him, then it's much more than making moves to make the play in. They would have to believe that he is going to be a core player for the next couple of years.

Yeah, and I am not sure Powell is that player.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:25 pm to
I like Powell but would rather a PG

Keep Josh at the 2 and have Graham as the sixth man
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17410 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:28 pm to
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P.J. Washington is a trade possibility for the Charlotte Hornets, per @JakeLFischer LINK
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1880 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:29 pm to
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His contract is better than Fournier’s…if you think it won’t cost that much, he would provide a much needed spark for bench scoring.


I disagree. I think Powell as a player is a much better fit for the Pels than Fournier, but Fournier’s contract is a better fit for the Pels than Powell’s. I’ve argued for taking on some money in salary dumps to get players and rehab their value, but Id target guys that clear after 23/24. I don’t know if I’d want to take on salary all the way out to 2025 and pay 33 year old Norm Powell 20 million. But if the offer is a free dump into our TPE, I’d definitely consider it. Any real assets would be a hard no
Posted by TechTiger
Running an easy 10
Member since Feb 2007
1455 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:32 pm to
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next to Graham, it would be a small backcourt.


I like Graham, but he can also be someone that can be unloaded after a while as well. I’d much prefer to keep Hart and Powell than Graham.

If you can find a way to bring Powell in without giving too much, then you should include Graham, young players, and future picks for someone like Fox or Simmons that could be on the move if you can make it happen.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:38 pm to
Are there any PGs that could fit into the TPE?
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1880 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:48 pm to
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Are there any PGs that could fit into the TPE?


There’s a lot, but as far as realistic targets with more than one year remaining (not that I am advocating for any):

Marcus Smart
Delon Wright
TJ McConnell
Colby White
Tyus Jones
Reggie Jackson
DJ Augustin
Cam Payne
Kemba Walker
Sexton

…SGA…

The problem is, if the player is useful and has a small enough contract to fit into our TPE, I don’t know why a contending team wouldn’t just outbid us. That’s why I suggested targeting guys that have been recently overpaid and the team’s have buyer’s remorse after their year hasn’t started the way they planned.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29815 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:49 pm to
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With Powell’s new contract, that’s an overpay. I think we’d offer to let them dump him into out TPE for free.



I would think 2 2nds and NAW for Powell would work just fine.
They aren't going to just dump him for nothing. There's nothing bad about his contract, and he's a wing with good defense in the prime of his career averaging 18ppg on 40.5% from 3 the last 3 years. They aren't going to just dump him.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29815 posts
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:54 pm to
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However, next to Graham, it would be a small backcourt.



Yea Powell is 6'3" but he is by no means small. He has a 6'11" wingspan and weighs 215lbs. That's not a small guard.
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