re: 2021 NBA Trade thread BREAKING: Bagley to Pistons in 4 team deal

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I mean unless they are blown away by a deal, why settle now

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Well, one reason would be to cut salary, since they are paying tax. But I don't know how big of a deal that is to Portland ownership.

Yeah watch the Pels pay overs and he retires next year.

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Also, the player in question is owed 100 million and was strongly considering retirement as recently as 3 weeks ago.

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That's a bit disingenuous.

He said when he first got his diagnosis, he thought that would end his career. Not that he was wanting to retire, more that he'd have no choice but to retire.

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Because they are over the luxury tax, their 4 best players are guards, two of those 4 have massive contracts and a 3rd one is about to get a massive payday as a restricted free agent, they have a .400 winning percentage, are capped out, and they only keep their 1st round pick if they miss the playoffs.

Also, the player in question is owed 100 million and was strongly considering retirement as recently as 3 weeks ago.

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Again, you all can get as dug in with this as you want, I simply do not see a scenario where what was proposed on the last page is enough to get a deal done by the deadline. It would be nice if I'm wrong because that would be about how much id want to give up given the limitations the roster will have after getting McCollum and paying Zion next season.

We can revisit this in a couple weeks when the deadline hits and see if in fact our trash + Hart or Graham gets McCollum.

I'm not convinced. To me that's the type of settling the Blazers might do if the market is still bare in the offseason and they know Simons is gonna get a huge offer. Because the way everyone here is talking about Jonas needing a really good return to part with, that is how it reads Portland sees McCollum. He is basically their best asset to try and bring back a win now player to elevate the Blazers around Lillard for one last push. Trading that for Hart at the deadline doesn't seem likely.

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We’ve already covered this. CJ makes TWICE as much as Jonas. That is an awful comparison.

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Indeed….and at the level Jonas is currently playing, he is arguably more valuable at a position of need for both teams.

I wonder if we would be better served doing a S&T for Sexton in the offseason if we are going to spend $20 plus million on a scoring combo guard. Of course the danger would be if we couldn’t get that deal done with our cap space.

McCollum trade article

I just liked the picture so figured I would share the article. One of many offshoots from the Jake Fischer report. He proposes Sato, Hayes, Hart plus a Bucks first and a second. Again, I would fight to include Graham over Hart, but I think that’s largely going to be the sticking points.

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Again, I would fight to include Graham over Hart, but I think that’s largely going to be the sticking points.

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They aren’t in much of a position to bargain right now. Pels can afford to wait until the offseason to unload assets on another guard. They can use their TPE and Satos contract to add salary at the deadline, so they can unload on a max level player.

Portland can’t afford to wait if they aren’t going anywhere this year, and don’t want to pay the tax bill. They aren’t getting Simmons or Sabonis, so they are kind of stuck.

We would be doing them a favor by taking on CJ’s contract.

I never said you were an idiot. Just as a reminder, you jumped on my scenario calling me a dreamy fan. And I’ve never changed my stance, I’ve posted scenarios weeks ago. If I’m giving Hayes, a first plus, getting them out of the luxury and $20 million in savings the next couple of years, I would at least attempt to keep Hart over Graham. But that’s the tolerance I wanted to feel out from the rest of the board. That’s what I want, and I’ve tried to keep things open ended for opinion. My feeling is it will take Hart, young player and picks, and I don’t believe Griffin will be able to help himself. Making the splash will be too tempting.

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My feeling is it will take Hart, young player and picks

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And all I'm saying is I think at this point, to make it happen at the deadline it will probably need to be a better prospect than Hayes and/or better assets.

It seems by all accounts, including the article you listed, the Blazers see McCollum fetching a Turner or better asset right now. Because the Blazers and Lillard probably have a couple season timeline max right now, so the Bucks 2025 pick isn't really going to do much for convincing Lillard they are closer without McCollum.

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He proposes Sato, Hayes, Hart plus a Bucks first and a second

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for CJ and Little

Sign me the F up for that one.