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re: 2021 NBA Trade thread BREAKING: Bagley to Pistons in 4 team deal
Posted on 1/21/22 at 3:03 pm to LosLobos111
Posted on 1/21/22 at 3:03 pm to LosLobos111
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 3:47 pm to Soggymoss
Those conditions are likely Lakers take Wall and Rockets also get multiple picks.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 3:50 pm to Fun Bunch
Yeah, I seen one earlier saying they would take him for Wall but only if they got draft capital.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 3:51 pm to Fun Bunch
That has long felt like to me the only real shot Lakers would have at moving Westbrook.
Swapping the two most toxic contracts in the league and giving Houston picks
Swapping the two most toxic contracts in the league and giving Houston picks
Posted on 1/21/22 at 3:58 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Don't the Lakers not have any 1sts they can give? So it would only be 2nds perhaps?
Those conditions are likely Lakers take Wall and Rockets also get multiple picks.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:04 pm to shel311
Lakers can send a 2027 1st, that's the earliest they have.
Mason proposed something earlier on Twitter, if Lakers approach Pels about removing the 2024 option to swap to 2025, and just giving the Pels the 2024 1st and a swap option on 2025, that would free up the Lakers to trade their 2026 and 2028 1st.
I would push to get a swap option in 2027 if we bail them out like that though.
Mason proposed something earlier on Twitter, if Lakers approach Pels about removing the 2024 option to swap to 2025, and just giving the Pels the 2024 1st and a swap option on 2025, that would free up the Lakers to trade their 2026 and 2028 1st.
I would push to get a swap option in 2027 if we bail them out like that though.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:12 pm to NOFOX
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Kemba can still put the ball in the hoop
kind of hard to do when you're always on the bench in street clothes. He's going to miss 20-30 games at least every season here on out.
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Kemba is shooting almost 41% from 3 on 6.6 per game
and that is a bit of an outlier of a shooting performance from him considering he's 36% for his career
He is not the same player he used to be, and that's probably helping with that 3 point percentage.
5.3 FTA per 36 during his 5 year peak
It was 4 last year, and it's 3 this year.
He's drawing half the shooting fouls the last 2 years than he used to the previous 5 years.
He's taking half the shots around the rim the last two years than he used to the previous 5 years.
His on/off stat is atrocious this year, -13 NetRtg. He's a +5 for his career, and had 2 years in his prime over +10.
He is not the same player, and he likely will never be anywhere close to that guy he was in Charlotte ever again b/c of his age and injury.
No one is giving up anything to trade for him, and the Knicks will likely have to give something to get rid of him this year.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:35 pm to Soggymoss
Yeah I would do everything possible to not help the Lakers out of that Westbrook deal. Let that anchor of a contract really squeeze them.
Plus, there is still a slight chance that they lose out of the play-in and get into the top ten in the lottery this year. Then we get to keep their pick we gave to MEM. Helping them get better this year makes that slight chance and zero chance.
Plus, there is still a slight chance that they lose out of the play-in and get into the top ten in the lottery this year. Then we get to keep their pick we gave to MEM. Helping them get better this year makes that slight chance and zero chance.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:39 pm to Soggymoss
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Mason proposed something earlier on Twitter, if Lakers approach Pels about removing the 2024 option to swap to 2025, and just giving the Pels the 2024 1st and a swap option on 2025, that would free up the Lakers to trade their 2026 and 2028 1st.
Just imagine if we help the Lakers make a deal that improves their roster this season, and then LeBron gets hurt, and the Lakers finish with the 11th-worst record in the league, and we lose out on a top-10 pick because we made a trade that helped the Lakers. Griff would absolutely deserve to be fired the next day.
There's just no way that we make any deal with the Lakers this season.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:That would be our luck.
Just imagine if we help the Lakers make a deal that improves their roster this season, and then LeBron gets hurt, and the Lakers finish with the 11th-worst record in the league, and we lose out on a top-10 pick because we made a trade that helped the Lakers. Griff would absolutely deserve to be fired the next day.
There's just no way that we make any deal with the Lakers this season.
I just don't think you should/shouldn't make deals on worse case scenarios. You play the percentages. And I'd say the odds are likely overwhelming that the Lakers will not finish with a bottom 10 record as is. So if we could potentially improve our draft pick situation and slightly improve the Lakers in the process, I'd think we should do it.
Russ is pretty bad, but I also think that adding Wall who hasn't played all year won't exactly make them much better.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:57 pm to shel311
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So if we could potentially improve our draft pick situation and slightly improve the Lakers in the process, I'd think we should do it.
You are SEVERELY underestimating two important things.
1.) The cosmos hates us.
2.) We are extremely petty and spiteful.
(Number 1 might have something to do with number 2)
Oh and frick the Lakers
Posted on 1/21/22 at 5:12 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Not sure what Mason is thinking, but that would not be enough for me to help them out.
Lakers can send a 2027 1st, that's the earliest they have.
Mason proposed something earlier on Twitter, if Lakers approach Pels about removing the 2024 option to swap to 2025, and just giving the Pels the 2024 1st and a swap option on 2025, that would free up the Lakers to trade their 2026 and 2028 1st.
I would push to get a swap option in 2027 if we bail them out like that though.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 5:17 pm to NOSHAU
He’s probably thinking that if agree to that, and the Lakers turn around and give those 26 and 28 picks to HOU just to offload Westbrook, we’ve allowed them to throw good money after bad and embrace the sunk-cost fallacy. It’s really not a bad idea
Posted on 1/21/22 at 6:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Just imagine if we help the Lakers make a deal that improves their roster this season, and then LeBron gets hurt, and the Lakers finish with the 11th-worst record in the league
There's like a 10% chance of this happening, worse than lottery odds.
There's 2 reasons why I would do this:
1) John Wall is going to improve the Lakers slightly, and if we can turn say pick 16 that goes to Memphis to pick 20, that screws Memphis a little, and it doesn't help the Lakers championship odds any.
2) We have the Bucks 2025 and 2027 picks, if we could aquire swap rights for Lakers picks that would allow us to swap Bucks picks for Lakers picks also, which would improve the odds of getting a high pick out of the Bucks.
The only con I can think of is frick the Lakers, but not sure that outweighs the pros.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 6:20 pm to shel311
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Wall who hasn't played all year won't exactly make them much better.
wall is so fast.
a few weeks and he'll hit his stride.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 6:23 pm to Soggymoss
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There's 2 reasons why I would do this:
1) John Wall is going to improve the Lakers slightly,
when he's cooking he's elite.
i hope it doesn't happen.
pee on the lakers.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 6:25 pm to CelticDog
Not to the point it makes them championship contenders though.
Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:39 pm to Soggymoss
Russell Westbrook needs to stay in LAL. He makes them so much worse. They better come with a crazy offer to help them there. Not just a pick swap. That’s absurd.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 5:51 am to TeddyPadillac
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Sato has more value than Kemba
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interesting point....what do you think we can get for Santo if he didn't fit into another package ?
If I could get a 2nd for him, I would take it .... but do you think I am undervaluing him on the trade market ? I see him fitting as a bench piece on a thin contender...Nets for example.
Appreciate any thoughts and follow up.
Sato has more value than Kemba
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interesting point....what do you think we can get for Santo if he didn't fit into another package ?
If I could get a 2nd for him, I would take it .... but do you think I am undervaluing him on the trade market ? I see him fitting as a bench piece on a thin contender...Nets for example.
Appreciate any thoughts and follow up.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 7:15 am to Purpose16
The only way we get any asset from Sato is if we are taking back a bad contract too (like Kemba or Theis), and even then the most we could probably get is a 2nd. We actually already have a few seconds next year (and maybe more depending on if the pick to Charlotte converts) so I don’t know how valuable another 2nd is to us. What I think might be more likely is we attach a couple of 2nds to Sato to get a semi-useful player.
For example, I could see us offering Portland Sato and 2 2nds for Larry Nance. Portland’s only pick in next year’s draft is their own 2nd and they clearly aren’t competing this year. For us, Nance can help our depth this year by adding a big who can shoot a little and protect the rim a little from the weak side. He’s also under contract next year and we can see his fit next to Zion.
For example, I could see us offering Portland Sato and 2 2nds for Larry Nance. Portland’s only pick in next year’s draft is their own 2nd and they clearly aren’t competing this year. For us, Nance can help our depth this year by adding a big who can shoot a little and protect the rim a little from the weak side. He’s also under contract next year and we can see his fit next to Zion.
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