re: 1.5 years into year 2 and Jax, NAW and Didi are all unplayable

NAW and Hayes are proving the haters right. It’s even more disappointing when we barely see them improving much. Compared to other draft picks

No, the context of the discussion was whether or not Griffin is bad as his job. You were absolutely not just judging that one draft. You're now trying to justify a dumb argument by pretending that your argument was really about something else.

You don’t need to be a skilled GM to draft Zion. Literally everyone on this board could get that much done. You’re judged as a GM on your ability to find talent further down the draft, to sign free agents who fit, make trades that build your team into a contender.

It’s early for Griff and Trajan, but so far the results don’t look great. Whiffing in the top 10 is not good or, more charitably, taking a player so raw you can’t even play him for 2 or 3 years is a debatable decision. So is taking another project guard at 17 when your roster is already loaded at guard. This year they didn’t even try to fill out their roster needs with solid prospects even though they had multiple picks in the draft because they had earmarked all that capital for the Steven Adams deal, another debatable decision.

This doesn’t even get to coaching hire and overall philosophy of wanting to pay expensive vets during a rebuild situation to teach “culture” and be a “family.” You can lose with anybody. Can’t see that Adams and Bledsoe have injected too much competitiveness and grit into this team “culture” despite the high price they cost. Can’t say that having Redick or Holiday last year taught anything about how to be at least a .500 ball club despite having an abundance of young talent.

Right now the Pels are a bottom tier NBA team and that’s even without dealing with any major injuries. Anyone who says that isn’t a disappointment given the assets Griffin was handed is delusional.

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What other trade do you think was out there? Or is that not important, sorry.

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Staying at 4 and taking BPA is what they should have done. You weren’t getting a franchise guy like Zion & Ja, or even Barrett at 4, but you still had an opportunity to get a guy that could be a major core piece for years to come and you dwindled your chances significantly by moving out of that slot.

I think it’s a poor decision regardless, but who they ended up selecting makes it even worse.

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There were 4-5 coveted guys at the top and the rest of the class was pretty crap.

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Which is why you don’t trade out of 4.

Griff is below average GM, way overrated and looking more like he outright sucks

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We would have a starting shooting guard in Garland and would be pushing for playoffs right now.

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All right, let’s tone down the hyperbole before this train derails any further

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NAW and Hayes are proving the haters right. 

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hate is hyperbole.

I wouldn't have taken hayes with the last pick in round one. he was a mid 2nd. a flyer.

it's a shame.
but he can still learn.
he will probably blossom a couple years from now.

naw could settle down tomorrow.
or never. that 37 point game is why he was selected. I saw him look briliant on offense in college. naw is an understandable choice. they dont all pan out.

I'm with the poster who observed that there were, as usual, only a few really sure picks and you can have one at 4, so get a solid guy.
obviously pels went for high ceiling and ignored that hayes is the living definition of wet behind the ears.

it's a shame this matter is still being debated. hayes sucked before the draft and he still sucks.

I think what sticks in everyone's craw is that trading down says mgmt did not have confidence they could identify a sure thing at 4.
imho
they wanted to double their chances to hit on a guy.

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I did find Bronc’s use of Schlenk to defend his stance a little weird. We are comparing crappy players to rotation guys. If we look at the Hawks trade, we are comparing an all star to an already first team NBA and probable all time guy. All of the scouting info was there.

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Schlenk demonstrated the folly of trading back just the year before, but reversed course the next and targeted the new guy Griff was the underlying point there. This isn’t the NFL, talent is overwhelmingly concentrated at the top of the draft, rarely do you have a Jayson Tatum situation where moving back is the wiser choice, and if you do, you typically
don’t want to be moving out of the top 5 history says.

Furthermore, non-skilled rim running big men have amongst the highest bust rates in the league. So you not only are thinking yourself smarter than the collective wisdom, but smarter than the history of past performance for the type of player you chose.

As to the person that said had we just picked Herro and Clarke, well, we know unequivocally Herro was never on Griff’s radar, Hayes was supposedly graded top 5. So this was always Griff over confident in his ability to be smarter than everyone in the room.

And if you go through his history, this is a recurring problem. It was with Anthony Bennett when he was the loudest voice in the room lobbying for him, it was for Mozgov(a theme we are seeing again where he becomes enamored with a type of big that is on the way out in this league and overpays for them), his coaching hires like David Blatt, his acquisition of Melli, blindspots to talent already on his roster like Wood or Joe Harris, and you see it a lot in his lesser trades where he moves a ton of pieces around in a complex capacity and very often they do nothing.

Most were all reservations I voiced before hiring him and I hoped once we did that he had largely learned from them and wouldn’t repeat.

And to be clear I don’t think he is a bad GM, AD trade was great, Jrue trade was great, Kira looks to be a hit, he’s managing the roster to this point wisely and looking to not fall into the sunk cost fallacy, fall in love with marginal talent ala Demps, or overpay players on the hope of great future performance...but he has some major blindspots and seemingly an arrogance that leads to a sort of tunnel vision that is often detrimental to his performance.

Naw isn't the problem.

Hayes is the problem