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re: 10 teams have shown interest in Jrue
Posted on 10/23/20 at 1:08 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 10/23/20 at 1:08 pm to GynoSandberg
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It’s funny bc teddy Cadillac said this before the season
uh huh. that's what i said.
Expectations of Lonzo Ball this year thread
Lonzo changed his shot release thread
I have never said he can't improve his shooting. I've always said that is something one can work on and improve. Somethign that is very difficult to work on and improve is finishing at the rim. You either are good at it, or you're not. And i still think he can become a guy that can finish in the paint if he learns how to hit a floater. I don't see him every being able to take his man to the paint and finish around people. His biggest thing is he needs to learn how to be patient in the lane and make the right decision on making the RIGHT pass or hitting the floater.
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Posted on 10/23/20 at 1:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
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uh huh. that's what i said.
Two threads when you literally post in every Lonzo thread
you already had to walk back all the shite you said when Lonzo began to play well. quote:
I have never said he can't improve his shooting. I've always said that is something one can work on and improve.
Well this is getting confusing now bc you just spewed off this matter of fact bullshite
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You know what you have with him. He's not making any huge improvements and becoming a sure fire starter for any team in the league.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 2:16 pm to GynoSandberg
whatever you say big man.
So go ahead and tell me where i said he can't improve on shooting. I showed you my first opinion of my expectations of him, and it was full of positivity.
He's a terrible free throw shooter too, but i see no reason why he can't be a 70%+ free throw shooter.
You act like it's such a terrible thing that i said nice things about Lonzo. Unlike you, i'm capable of changing my opinion on players, and i sure as shite don't mind it when it's for the better.
What's confusing? What part of what i said had anything to do with him not improving his shooting?
I'm speaking generally. You know what he is, and what he's capable of. He's not going to all of a sudden turn into Russell Westbrook driving to the goal. That would be a huge improvement. Of course he can improve his game, and i'm sure he will, but it won't be enough to make him the type of guy that would start for every team in the league. That doesn't mean he can't be a very serviceable starter for the right team.
Was that too confusing for you to understand?
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Two threads when you literally post in every Lonzo thread you already had to walk back all the shite you said when Lonzo began to play well.
So go ahead and tell me where i said he can't improve on shooting. I showed you my first opinion of my expectations of him, and it was full of positivity.
He's a terrible free throw shooter too, but i see no reason why he can't be a 70%+ free throw shooter.
You act like it's such a terrible thing that i said nice things about Lonzo. Unlike you, i'm capable of changing my opinion on players, and i sure as shite don't mind it when it's for the better.
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Well this is getting confusing now bc you just spewed off this matter of fact bullshite
What's confusing? What part of what i said had anything to do with him not improving his shooting?
I'm speaking generally. You know what he is, and what he's capable of. He's not going to all of a sudden turn into Russell Westbrook driving to the goal. That would be a huge improvement. Of course he can improve his game, and i'm sure he will, but it won't be enough to make him the type of guy that would start for every team in the league. That doesn't mean he can't be a very serviceable starter for the right team.
Was that too confusing for you to understand?
Posted on 10/27/20 at 10:23 am to TeddyPadillac
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The Atlanta Hawks are shopping their first-round pick and intend to push for the playoffs, per @KevinOConnorNBA
Atlanta currently holds the 6th pick in the draft. LINK
Setting up for Jrue
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 10:25 am
Posted on 10/27/20 at 10:56 am to Soggymoss
Huerter or Hunter, 6 and future pick(s) for Jrue?
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:05 am to Epic Cajun
I would love a Dedmon, Heurter, #6 and 2025 or 26 1st for Jrue.
Saves us around 10 million in cap space, Ingram moves to the 2, we get a starting 5 to mentor Hayes, a backup 3, and around 18-20 million in cap space to play with.
A starting 5 of Ball, Ingram, FA (Grant, Gallo), Zion, Dedmon
Off bench Killian Hayes, Redick, Hart,Melli,Jax, Heurter, Jalen Smith (my pick at 13)
That's a deep arse team, we keep Ball to see if SVG can get anything out of him, if not we let him walk next season and Killian moves into starting role.
Saves us around 10 million in cap space, Ingram moves to the 2, we get a starting 5 to mentor Hayes, a backup 3, and around 18-20 million in cap space to play with.
A starting 5 of Ball, Ingram, FA (Grant, Gallo), Zion, Dedmon
Off bench Killian Hayes, Redick, Hart,Melli,Jax, Heurter, Jalen Smith (my pick at 13)
That's a deep arse team, we keep Ball to see if SVG can get anything out of him, if not we let him walk next season and Killian moves into starting role.
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 11:14 am
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:14 am to Soggymoss
Dump him and maybe Lonzo too
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:15 am to Soggymoss
If we have ~20 mil in cap space I would want to go after Fred VV.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:16 am to Soggymoss
I'm very much interested in what Atlanta has to offer. Huerter would be a great fit and #6 gets us Onyeka/Killian/Vassell.
I posted in the off-season thread that Atlanta made sense for Jrue. They made the move for Capela to accelerate the timeline and Jrue is a good fit next to Trae.
I posted in the off-season thread that Atlanta made sense for Jrue. They made the move for Capela to accelerate the timeline and Jrue is a good fit next to Trae.
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:18 am to Soggymoss
quote:Kinda lukewarm on that deal. Unless you really feel Huerter is a potential 3rd star to Zion and BI, it does not do much. Dedmond is pretty much done. Huerter is nice, but not really sold on the 6th pick and a pick 5-6 years from now.
I would love a Dedmon, Heurter, #6 and 2025 or 26 1st for Jrue.
Saves us around 10 million in cap space, Ingram moves to the 2, we get a starting 5 to mentor Hayes, a backup 3, and around 18-20 million in cap space to play with.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:19 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Is would be about $20 million over the next 2 seasons (and a net of about $10 million over 4 years considering future salaries)
If we have ~20 mil in cap space I would want to go after Fred VV.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:20 am to Soggymoss
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Ingram moves to the 2
And we're back to not having a starting 3.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:23 am to NOSHAU
I'm really not interested at all in a 3rd star next to Zion and Ingram, them 2 living up to their potential with some good/great role players will be enough for multiple championships imo.
I want the ball in their hands as much as possible, with a PG with a killer instinct (like a CP3, which i see alot of that in Killian).
I want the ball in their hands as much as possible, with a PG with a killer instinct (like a CP3, which i see alot of that in Killian).
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:24 am to NOSHAU
No it would be about 20 million in space THIS season.
Currently we can get to about 9-10 million at the lowest cap projection, this trade would save us an additional 9-10 million in space this year, which would bring us to 18-20 million in usable cap space.
Currently we can get to about 9-10 million at the lowest cap projection, this trade would save us an additional 9-10 million in space this year, which would bring us to 18-20 million in usable cap space.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:26 am to Soggymoss
quote:Dedmond is a negative. Does Huerter give you more than Jrue? The #6 in a bad draft is a crap shoot at best. I would hope we could get a better player than Huerter as the center of a deal.
I'm really not interested at all in a 3rd star next to Zion and Ingram, them 2 living up to their potential with some good/great role players will be enough for multiple championships imo.
I want the ball in their hands as much as possible, with a PG with a killer instinct (like a CP3, which i see alot of that in Killian).
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:27 am to Galactic Inquisitor
You have plenty of cap space to get one in a class with a couple guys that would fit great, like Grant, Gallo, Bertans.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:30 am to Soggymoss
Need a reminder from another thread..
Look dude that star that you want to get with that future 1st or #6 could end up being a #15 or late round pick. We can trade JJ for picks and we can trade Lonzo for picks and I really don't give a shite. But Jrue? Jrue is a top player in the league and we have 2 future monsters with BI/ Zion. We don't need to trade Jrue for possible draft stars. He is the 1 asset that we can trade and 100% get 1-2 guys that will be important next to BI/ Zion in the long run. We won't have to wait for them to develop, we won't have to wait to see if they are a bust. This isn't saying we won't also get picks but you bet your arse we will get more young assets > Dedmon and Heurter
If we don't get that return then it means Jrue is more vital to our team and he isn't getting traded
Look dude that star that you want to get with that future 1st or #6 could end up being a #15 or late round pick. We can trade JJ for picks and we can trade Lonzo for picks and I really don't give a shite. But Jrue? Jrue is a top player in the league and we have 2 future monsters with BI/ Zion. We don't need to trade Jrue for possible draft stars. He is the 1 asset that we can trade and 100% get 1-2 guys that will be important next to BI/ Zion in the long run. We won't have to wait for them to develop, we won't have to wait to see if they are a bust. This isn't saying we won't also get picks but you bet your arse we will get more young assets > Dedmon and Heurter
If we don't get that return then it means Jrue is more vital to our team and he isn't getting traded
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:35 am to Soggymoss
What do you mean by not wanting a "3rd star" next to Zion and BI? It seems to me like you do want a 3rd star but want it to be a guess in the draft instead of a proven player. Once again we already have Zion, BI, and 20 draft picks the next 4-5 years. If we want to do anything to make our team better we turn Lonzo, JJ, Jrue into solid young assets not questionable/ unproven draft picks.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:44 am to Dantheman504
Why do we want to trade Jrue so bad though? Almost every NBA player said he is a top 5 defender. Let’s see what SVG do before we ship him out. I don’t see how he can’t be a third superstar on our team. I think SVG will set up a system instead of just a gun and run like Gentry
Posted on 10/27/20 at 11:48 am to Dantheman504
By "star" I'm talking someone like Harden, that would come in and take the ball out of Ingram and Zion's hands.
I would rather surround them with guys like CP3 (who I see alot of in Killian) and Myles Turner (I see alot of his game in Jalen Smith also), great guys that compliment their games perfectly, but will still allow them 2 to be the focal points.
I don't really look at our 2nds as anything of value, take a bunch of draft and stash guys with them.
Hell, I wouldn't even be opposed to combining 13 with 6 to get up to 3 or 4 to ensure we get our guy.
I would rather surround them with guys like CP3 (who I see alot of in Killian) and Myles Turner (I see alot of his game in Jalen Smith also), great guys that compliment their games perfectly, but will still allow them 2 to be the focal points.
I don't really look at our 2nds as anything of value, take a bunch of draft and stash guys with them.
Hell, I wouldn't even be opposed to combining 13 with 6 to get up to 3 or 4 to ensure we get our guy.
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