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re: Why can't David and Roger settle things and get back to making music?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 11:05 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 5/22/20 at 11:05 pm to LanierSpots
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That is true. But that money was made with material that was from his Pink FLoyd days. Roger has not really done anything new that really mattered since he left the band.
On the other hand, Daivd and the rest of the band made some great material without Roger and David Gilmour gave us some great solo material as well.
Roger on the other hand had just rode for years on The Wall and things that he and the others did "back in the day"
Bruh, the only thing Gilmour has done is sold some albums using the Pink Floyd name. The best album PF put out without Waters was a live album consisting mostly of songs Waters either outright wrote or helped craft.
Division Bell was okay, but it's a couple rungs below classic PF. The other 2 albums are just downright forgettable.
I personally think Roger was more important to their success, but that's debatable. They were great because of the dichotomy of their talents. They were greater than the sum of their parts.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 11:05 pm
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 11:09 pm to Kashmir
If it wasn't for Roger, you probably wouldn't know David's name.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 7:11 am to Treacherous Cretin
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If it wasn't for Roger, you probably wouldn't know David's name.
If it wasn't for Syd, Rog would be washing dishes.
FIFY
Posted on 5/23/20 at 7:42 am to Jester
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They were greater than the sum of their parts
I think you mean the opposite
Posted on 5/23/20 at 7:44 am to randybobandy
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If it wasn't for Syd, Rog would be washing dishe
I wasn’t a fan of the Syd era when I first got into PF. A few years later and Piper was one of my favorites and still is. They did some pretty groundbreaking stuff then.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 3:41 pm to SUB
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I wasn’t a fan of the Syd era when I first got into PF. A few years later and Piper was one of my favorites and still is. They did some pretty groundbreaking stuff then.
Agree. That early stuff really set them on the right path and nobody should discredit what Syd did and that they may not have started without him. But moving forward, they probably never would have been as big as they are if he had not moved on and Gilmour came in
Posted on 5/23/20 at 4:30 pm to L1C4
Because roger is a bitter turd. I don’t know who deserves more credit for the music but Gilmour gets a lot more accolades but that’s not his fault. He’s just a really good guitar player.
Posted on 5/23/20 at 4:39 pm to Jester
quote:Really great way to put it
They were greater than the sum of their parts
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:48 am to randybobandy
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If it wasn't for Syd, Rog would be washing dishes
And David would be digging ditches at best. If Syd hadn't gone crazy, Gilmour would've never made the band. Advantage Waters.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:57 am to SUB
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I wasn’t a fan of the Syd era when I first got into PF. A few years later and Piper was one of my favorites and still is. They did some pretty groundbreaking stuff then.
There's a whole lot more to early Floyd than ever made it on an album.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 1:59 am
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:04 am to L1C4
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Time has run out.
FTFY
(and Gilmore tells why near the end)
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 9:49 am
Posted on 5/24/20 at 3:10 pm to L1C4
I recently watched Live at Pompeii and afterwards watched all of the extra interviews that went along with it. Roger's personality is what really stuck out to me in the interviews. I think in a very short term scenario I think he probably comes across as amusing, but if I had to put myself in the position of a bandmate and being around him day to day, I'd want to kill him. If he is anything like he is when the cameras are on, I can see why David would want absolutely nothing to do with him.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:10 pm to Kashmir
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roger needs david. david does not need waters!
Roger wrote damn near all the great Pink Floyd songs. A lot of people seem to miss this critical fact. And personally, I think his solo work has been superior to anything David has done after Roger left the band. Obviously David is an all-time guitarist and they complimented either each other very well in the band.
They’ve both made so much money, I doubt either needs the other at this point. But Roger is still selling out arenas.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 10:32 pm to L1C4
Roger blew it when he left the band, gave up his decision making and then did a RS interview in which the best argument he could make to discredit Gilmore was....that’s my wall, that’s my giant pig!
Oh yea, and then he tried to sue the band and lost. Above average songwriter, below average musician who was the weak link in PF in regards to playing live
Oh yea, and then he tried to sue the band and lost. Above average songwriter, below average musician who was the weak link in PF in regards to playing live
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:50 am to geauxbrown
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Above average songwriter, below average musician who was the weak link in PF in regards to playing live
Couldn't resist responding to this. The following website says otherwise. Without Waters there isn't much of a live PF - Who Was Pink Floyd's Chief Songwriter?
Pink Floyd songs written solely by Waters:
Let There Be More Light - Waters
Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun - Waters
Corporal Clegg - Waters
Cirrus Minor - Waters
The Nile Song - Waters
Crying Song - Waters
Green Is The Colour - Waters
Cymbaline - Waters
Grantchester Meadows - Waters
Several Species... - Waters
If - Waters
Julia Dream - Waters
Bidding My Time - Waters
San Tropez - Waters
Free Four - Waters
Money - Waters
Brain Damage - Waters
Eclipse - Waters
Welcome To The Machine - Waters
Have A Cigar - Waters
Pigs On The Wing (Part One) - Waters
Pigs (Three Different Ones) - Waters
Sheep - Waters
Pigs On The Wing (Part Two) - Waters
In The Flesh? - Waters
The Thin Ice - Waters
Another Brick In The Wall (Part I) - Waters
The Happiest Days Of Our Lives - Waters
Another Brick In The Wall (Part II) - Waters
Mother - Waters
Goodbye Blue Sky - Waters
Empty Spaces - Waters
One Of My Turns - Waters
Don't Leave Me Now - Waters
Another Brick In The Wall (Part III) - Waters
Goodbye Cruel World - Waters
Hey You - Waters
Is There Anybody Out There? - Waters
Nobody Home - Waters
Vera - Waters
Bring The Boys Back Home - Waters
The Show Must Go On - Waters
In The Flesh - Waters
Waiting For The Worms - Waters
Stop - Waters
Outside The Wall - Waters
The Post War Dream - Waters
Your Possible Pasts - Waters
One Of The Few - Waters
The Hero's Return - Waters
The Gunners Dream - Waters
Paranoid Eyes - Waters
Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert - Waters
The Fletcher Memorial Home - Waters
Southhampton Dock - Waters
The Final Cut - Waters
Not Now John - Waters
Two Suns In The Sunset - Waters
Total: 58 songs (Note: 46 songs if you exclude TFC)
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Pink Floyd songs written solely by Gilmour:
A Spanish Piece - Gilmour
The Narrow Way (Parts I-III) - Gilmour
Fat Old Sun - Gilmour
Childhood's End - Gilmour
Total: 4 songs (6 if you count The Narrow Way as three songs)
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Pink Floyd songs written by Waters and Wright:
Burning Bridges - Waters/Wright
Stay - Waters/Wright
Us And Them - Waters/Wright
Total: 3 songs
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Pink Floyd songs written by Gilmour, Waters, and Wright (And Mason in some cases):
A Saucerful Of Secrets - Waters/Wright/Mason/Gilmour
Party Sequence - Waters/Wright/Gilmour/Mason
Main Theme - Waters/Wright/Gilmour/Mason
Ibiza Bar - Waters/Wright/Gilmour/Mason
More Blues - Waters/Wright/Gilmour/Mason
Quicksilver - Waters/Wright/Gilmour/Mason
Dramatic Piece - Waters/Wright/Gilmour
Atom Heart Mother - Mason/Gilmour/Waters/Wright/Geesin
Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast - Waters/Mason/Gilmour/Wright
Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Waters/Wright/Mason/Gilmour
One Of These Days - Waters/Wright/Mason/Gilmour
Seamus - Mason/Gilmour/Waters/Wright
Echoes - Mason/Gilmour/Waters/Wright
When You're In - Mason/Gilmour/Waters/Wright
Absolutely Curtains - Mason/Gilmour/Waters/Wright
Breathe In The Air - Waters/Gilmour/Wright
Time - Mason/Waters/Wright/Gilmour
Breathe (Reprise) - Waters/Wright/Gilmour
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts I-V) - Gilmour/Waters/Wright
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts VI-IX) - Waters/Wright/Gilmour
Total: 20 songs (Note: I treated SOYCD as two songs for simplification)
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Number of songs each had a hand in WRITING:
Waters - 93 songs
Gilmour - 37 songs (39 if you consider The Narrow Way as three songs)
Wright - 32 songs (35 if you consider Sysyphus as four songs)
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Posted on 5/25/20 at 12:43 pm to bisceaux
I agree Waters was the driving creative force but i think the band was at its peak when it was more collaborative. Meddle, Obscured by Clouds, Dark Side and Wish You Here. It was that run, especially Dark Side that made them one of the great most popular and hence most successful band in rock history.
Starting with Animals it was more exclusively Waters. Animals and The Wall are both incredible but the Final Cut, which is listed as "Performed by" Pink Floyd is no better imo than A Momentary Lapse of Reason or the Division Bell. Amused to Death is the best of any of their solo albums.
Personally Waters strikes me as the worst kind of leftist hypocrite. He whines about the market economy that made him rich. He says he supports the wellfare state, a society that "looks after each other" yet he is a greedy bastard that not only didn't want to share credit with his "mates" but later wanted to deny them the ability to benefit from their past work by not wanting them to tour as Pink Floyd. I understand why Gilmour, Mason and Wright were fine to go on without him.
Starting with Animals it was more exclusively Waters. Animals and The Wall are both incredible but the Final Cut, which is listed as "Performed by" Pink Floyd is no better imo than A Momentary Lapse of Reason or the Division Bell. Amused to Death is the best of any of their solo albums.
Personally Waters strikes me as the worst kind of leftist hypocrite. He whines about the market economy that made him rich. He says he supports the wellfare state, a society that "looks after each other" yet he is a greedy bastard that not only didn't want to share credit with his "mates" but later wanted to deny them the ability to benefit from their past work by not wanting them to tour as Pink Floyd. I understand why Gilmour, Mason and Wright were fine to go on without him.
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:57 pm to awestruck
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(and Gilmore tells why near the end)
I saw one of the shows at the Hollywood Bowl they mention at the end of the segment. Without question, the greatest rock concert I have ever been to. It was a 3 hour show with a 20-30 minute intermission. The first half ended with a transcendent version of High Hopes.
The last song of the night, Comfortably Numb, was the most moving experience I've ever had at a rock show. I was dead center and I will never forget the experience of the lasers shooting over my head as Gilmour launched into the first solo.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 2:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I agree Waters was the driving creative force but i think the band was at its peak when it was imo when it was more collaborative. Meddle, Obscured by Clouds, Dark Side and Wish You Here. It was that run, especially Dark Side that made them one of the great most popular and hence most successful band in rock history.
Completely agree. Although the wall is my favorite album and comfortably numb is my favorite song, without the early 70s ablumns, they aren't nearly as popular.
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Starting with Animals it was more exclusively Waters. Animals and The Wall are both incredible but the Final Cut, which is listed as "Performed by" Pink Floyd is no better imo than A Momentary Lapse of Reason or the Division Bell. Amused to Death is the best of any of their solo albums.
As Jester put it ealier in this thread - They were greater than the sum of their parts
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Personally Waters strikes me as the worst kind of leftist hypocrite. He whines about the market economy that made him rich. He says he supports the leftist wellfare state a society that "looks after each other" yet he is a greedy bastard
Not going to go here because this is the music board and not the poli board :-)
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didn't want to share credit with is "mates"
Are we talking about bands that share writer credits on songs? Just went and searched a few other big bands around this time frame and these bands claimed individual credits for each song - Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Beach Boys, Queen, ... The Rolling Stones - Keith Richards developed a writing partnership with Mick Jagger. So why did he "need" to share credits, when many of the other major bands at the time were not sharing credits?
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but later wanted to deny them the ability to benefit from their past work but not wanting them to tour as Pink Floyd. I complexly understand why Gilmour, Mason and Wright were fine to go on without him.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that they continued to tour because they brought their music to millions of more fans through the process. But there are many instances where when a band breaks up (either because a member dies, one leaves, or they mutually break up) they decide not to use the name anymore. And if the most creative member of the band is not in it anymore, then I can understand him being pissed they were still using the name. But I do understand their desire to use it, because they want to make a shite load of money (and are likely not leftists hypocrites :)
The truth is that they didn't make great music after waters left the band because he was the creative mind behind a lot of their work. But it is also true that they were better when mulitple members brought ideas to the studio - as is evident of the early 70s albums. I think the other members got a little lazy with waters having so many ideas, but he might have been an a-hole in the process of making the music.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:08 pm to bisceaux
And the point?
Because I don't think Gilmore would argue with any of this. Guy still doesn't write words to his solo tunes, that's his wife's job and he's comfortable being a musician creating fine tunes. Oil and vinegar would be my take, they go good together, but don't mix well for long.
Because I don't think Gilmore would argue with any of this. Guy still doesn't write words to his solo tunes, that's his wife's job and he's comfortable being a musician creating fine tunes. Oil and vinegar would be my take, they go good together, but don't mix well for long.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 7:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
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the Final Cut, which is listed as "Performed by" Pink Floyd is no better imo than A Momentary Lapse of Reason
I just gotta call bullshite on this one. The Final Cut was a rung below the other classic lineup albums, but AMLOR fell off the ladder. The Division Bell was a nice album, but closer to muzack than the amazing rock albums they put out as a full band
Finally, you can't seriously be putting Obscured by Clouds over Animals.
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 8:04 pm
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