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When did Arcade Fire become as uncool as U2 or Coldplay?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:18 pm
I must be getting old, but it's seriously becoming a pet peeve of mine - seeing a band that I admire release their BEST album only to have it be reviled by critics and have the band itself become "uncool" and "lame" to the "cool people".
It happened to U2 between Zooropa and Pop (my favorit U2 album).
It happened to Coldplay (a little more hazy) between A Rush of Blood to the Head, X&Y, and Viva La Vida or Death and All His Friends (the latter two being my two favorite Coldplay albums).
And now it's (somehow) happened to the great Arcade Fire, between the Suburbs and Reflektor (my favorite AF album).
Does this bother anybody else? Is it annoying to anybody else how some bands are immune to critical gripes (Pearl Jam, Springsteen, Counting Crows back in the day, Chili Peppers) and some have HUGE unfair bullseyes (the aforementioned U2, Coldplay, Arcade Fire, Stone Temple Pilots, John Mayer).
It happened to U2 between Zooropa and Pop (my favorit U2 album).
It happened to Coldplay (a little more hazy) between A Rush of Blood to the Head, X&Y, and Viva La Vida or Death and All His Friends (the latter two being my two favorite Coldplay albums).
And now it's (somehow) happened to the great Arcade Fire, between the Suburbs and Reflektor (my favorite AF album).
Does this bother anybody else? Is it annoying to anybody else how some bands are immune to critical gripes (Pearl Jam, Springsteen, Counting Crows back in the day, Chili Peppers) and some have HUGE unfair bullseyes (the aforementioned U2, Coldplay, Arcade Fire, Stone Temple Pilots, John Mayer).
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 7:19 pm
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:26 pm to RockEmSockEm
When did Arcade Fire become as uncool as U2 or Coldplay?
As soon as the Music Board decided it was so.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:29 pm to RockEmSockEm
They're only uncool to the uber-hip posers
Coldplay is uncool because they sold the frick out and make shitty music now. I used to jam their first two albums in high school.
U2 was never cool
I don't think they're really that uncool either. The Pitchfork crowd still jerks to them pretty regularly.
Coldplay is uncool because they sold the frick out and make shitty music now. I used to jam their first two albums in high school.
U2 was never cool
I don't think they're really that uncool either. The Pitchfork crowd still jerks to them pretty regularly.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:32 pm to danman6336
Coldplay's last album sucked, but X&Y was their Zooropa/Radiohead experimental album and Viva la Vida was their best album bar none.
U2 has been uncool since 2001 but they belong in this conversation because the critics being so unfair on "Pop" was what DROVE them to lameness.
U2 has been uncool since 2001 but they belong in this conversation because the critics being so unfair on "Pop" was what DROVE them to lameness.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:00 pm to RockEmSockEm
Could it possibly be when they achieve huge commercial success and all of their material wants are satisfied that their perspective and motivations change so that their music changes and becomes less edgy and more complacent? How about when their audience grew up and they don't connect with them or a younger audience as well anymore? How about when the definition of "cool" changed, as it does every few years?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:03 pm to Poodlebrain
There is no possible scenario in which "Reflektor" genuinely isn't a brilliant album. Yet the poster HeadyBrosevelt (that name seems a dead giveaway that the guy is a hipster music snob) slags them off as "lame" and I've heard other plastic-framed glasses wearing people do the same here in Kansas.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 8:09 pm to RockEmSockEm
Don't worry about Heady
Heady just doesn't understand the Fire
Heady just doesn't understand the Fire
Posted on 2/6/14 at 9:32 pm to RockEmSockEm
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There is no possible scenario in which "Reflektor" genuinely isn't a brilliant album.
Arcade Fire is great. Arguably the best live show I've seen (Suburbs tour at the Ryman). Have all their albums; both Reflektor and Suburbs are good albums that I enjoy yet never want to actually listen to.
The backlash has more to do with their subsequent albums not being Funeral than anything else IMO. Same thing happens to Radiohead post Bends/OK Computer
Heady just needs to chill and send good vibes out.
Edit: Loved their work on Her
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 9:39 pm to corndeaux
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Same thing happens to Radiohead post Bends/OK Computer
Kid A is often cited as their best work, certainly more so than The Bends. In Rainbows is also thought of as a masterpiece. Hail to the Thief also got high ratings (although I think it is vastly underrated). King of Limbs is really their only lackluster effort.
As for Arcade Fire, I just never liked them. I tried Funeral when it came out and never could get into. Their only song I have ever enjoyed is "No Cars Go"
Posted on 2/6/14 at 9:50 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
Arcade Fire > Phish
and it's not even really close
and it's not even really close
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:08 pm to RockEmSockEm
Coldplay was never cool.
And if you think Pearl Jam, COUNTING CROWS, and Chili Peppers have not been routinely savaged by critics, then we live in a different universe. Crows were never liked by critics, and RHCP has enjoyed a poor critical rep ever since Blood Sugar Sex Magik.
And STP has actually enjoyed a critical renaissance. Critics aren't a monolothic group, but STP has really benefited from the rise of glam rock and increased silliness and less "serious" bands, which now look to STP as a foundational band. The more earnest bands of the 90s are not as critically lauded today as rock has fallen out of critical favor.
Oh, and U2's Pop sucks. That's why people criticized it. It's an awful album.
And if you think Pearl Jam, COUNTING CROWS, and Chili Peppers have not been routinely savaged by critics, then we live in a different universe. Crows were never liked by critics, and RHCP has enjoyed a poor critical rep ever since Blood Sugar Sex Magik.
And STP has actually enjoyed a critical renaissance. Critics aren't a monolothic group, but STP has really benefited from the rise of glam rock and increased silliness and less "serious" bands, which now look to STP as a foundational band. The more earnest bands of the 90s are not as critically lauded today as rock has fallen out of critical favor.
Oh, and U2's Pop sucks. That's why people criticized it. It's an awful album.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:12 pm to RockEmSockEm
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Coldplay's last album sucked, but X&Y was their Zooropa/Radiohead experimental album and Viva la Vida was their best album bar none.
I was a fan of Coldplay for their first two albums. I liked the small pub band. I like the growth they should with Rush to the Head.
It wasn't them getting big that pissed me off. What pissed me off was X&Y, because to me, it was them trying to be U2 in scope and sound. I tried to like it. I really did.
I saw where the band was going, and I had no interest. I thought Fix You was the biggest POS song I've ever heard. The first line made me wanna vomit.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:33 pm to Patrick O Rly
I like coldplay and IDGAF if other people disagree
Posted on 2/6/14 at 10:42 pm to Patrick O Rly
Fine - I understand if people disliked X&Y but I think it's shallow and unfair to not give Viva la Vida a fair shake.
Great album - and the B sides were incredible as well.
Great album - and the B sides were incredible as well.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 11:26 pm to RockEmSockEm
If you like it, enjoy it. frick what others like or don't like.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 12:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
i like all 3. coldplay is starting to get uncool tho
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:02 am to Macintosh
Honestly, not a huge fan of the three, but U2 & Coldplay understand melody, Arcade Fire is awful. Just awful.
Arcade Fire is today's Sonic Youth.
Arcade Fire is today's Sonic Youth.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:05 am to Poodlebrain
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Could it possibly be when they achieve huge commercial success and all of their material wants are satisfied that their perspective and motivations change so that their music changes and becomes less edgy and more complacent?
So we need to keep artists poor to produce good art? Sweet. Pirate music to support quality!!
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:19 am to LucasP
quote:No. Artists and their audiences grow old together. They don't necessarily grow in the same direction or at the same pace. So the appeal of an artist's work will not remain constant. The work may remain brilliant, but by whom and how it is appreciated will change.
So we need to keep artists poor to produce good art?
Legendary artists retain more of their original audience, and they replenish their audience as they grow old. Just because an artist is not legendary does not make them bad.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:38 am to Poodlebrain
A lot of the Coldplay hate came from all the accusations that they ripped off the music from other lesser known artists on Viva La Vide. That was also my favorite album of theirs but all of those accusations kind of soured it for me.
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