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re: Was illegal downloading really THE reason for the music biz's death?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:03 pm to vandelay industries
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:03 pm to vandelay industries
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big labels
Here's the problem. No one's gonna pay $16 for a cd at Sam Goody when they can download it for free off kazaa. Also the average band makes little to nothing from cd sales even back when they were selling a lot of cds. A lot of smaller bands today don't care if you download their albums because its still exposure for them. Maybe you're more likely to buy a ticket to see that band when they play your town because you heard that music for free rather than not wanting to take a chance on a $16 cd you might not like.
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:43 pm to vandelay industries
No
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:00 am to Brosef Stalin
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Here's the problem. No one's gonna pay $16 for a cd at Sam Goody when they can download it for free off kazaa.
The music industry took a very long time to catch on to this.
For years we were hearing how CDs would drop in price because they only cost maybe $1 each to produce. They never did.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:12 am to Chimlim
Music industry execs have been looking for several excuses why the money disappeared rather than explain they were in a bubble until 2000 charging excessive amounts of money for music.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:23 am to vandelay industries
Vinyl is going through its biggest resurgence in 40 or years wouldn't you say?
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:18 am to Wtodd
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No shitty music coupled with fake bands were reasons
I guarantee you whatever music/bands you like some old guy at the time said it was crap. If you look at music sales before and after file sharing it is pretty stark. You could argue the music biz didn't adapt but "quality" was not the issue.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:59 am to Chimlim
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For years we were hearing how CDs would drop in price because they only cost maybe $1 each to produce. They never did.
Labels not dropping CD prices is what killed album sales.
They refused to budge, the consumers said "frick you", and here we are.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:56 pm to Kaizen
Usually either $10 or $12. The band typically takes home less than a dollar of that.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:07 am to vandelay industries
Ok, I think there's a point in the following story, but I probably couldn't articulate it well enough, lol:
Yesterday, my 9-year old daughter was watching a Minecraft video on YouTube. At the beginning, the "host" commented that he was about to go on a 30-city tour in the US, I shite you not. As ridiculous as this sounded, I was intrigued enough to look up the info...sure enough, he had dates listed on Ticketmaster, with tickets ranging from $40 to $90. My curiosity now piqued even more, I entered some fake ticket requests at several different venues...and holy crapoli, many of these shows are close to selling out! It blew my mind that a dude who talks about Minecraft could do a tour throughout the US and actually make a killing at the box office, moreso than many of the bands discussed here who play the same venues. My daughter laughed at the jokes I cracked about such insanity, but at the same time, I knew she probably wouldn't have minded attending one of his appearances, lol...
The next video she played was some dude who did something like 50 different voice impressions of various singers (he was actually good, TBH), 90% of them being current artists. A moment later, I made another crack about the Minecraft dude, and my daughter said "yes it's silly, but I'd rather see him than any of those singers in the other video!" When she put it that way, I have to admit she got me there, lol...so I admitted "you're right, I'd probably rather take you to see him too"
Again, there's a point in there somewhere I think, maybe not, who knows...
Yesterday, my 9-year old daughter was watching a Minecraft video on YouTube. At the beginning, the "host" commented that he was about to go on a 30-city tour in the US, I shite you not. As ridiculous as this sounded, I was intrigued enough to look up the info...sure enough, he had dates listed on Ticketmaster, with tickets ranging from $40 to $90. My curiosity now piqued even more, I entered some fake ticket requests at several different venues...and holy crapoli, many of these shows are close to selling out! It blew my mind that a dude who talks about Minecraft could do a tour throughout the US and actually make a killing at the box office, moreso than many of the bands discussed here who play the same venues. My daughter laughed at the jokes I cracked about such insanity, but at the same time, I knew she probably wouldn't have minded attending one of his appearances, lol...
The next video she played was some dude who did something like 50 different voice impressions of various singers (he was actually good, TBH), 90% of them being current artists. A moment later, I made another crack about the Minecraft dude, and my daughter said "yes it's silly, but I'd rather see him than any of those singers in the other video!" When she put it that way, I have to admit she got me there, lol...so I admitted "you're right, I'd probably rather take you to see him too"
Again, there's a point in there somewhere I think, maybe not, who knows...
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 8:11 am
Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:53 am to vandelay industries
The music industry never adapted to the concept of music being sold on the internet back when CD's became big.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 1:43 pm to vandelay industries
I have to believe that Napster sent a shockwave. All my friends and I were constantly downloading free music and making our own CDs. And we were in college and were accustomed to buying albums. And it seemed everyone else my age was doing the same.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 1:52 pm to biglego
The OP,
Were you the manager at the FYE that recently closed off College?
Were you the manager at the FYE that recently closed off College?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 2:30 pm to PiscesTiger
napster was frustrating. we just ripped our own CDs and traded the mp3s and hit up the local library for new music.
for a very brief moment i think i even bought a couple CDs and took them back to the store before they wised up and stopped taking returns.
for a very brief moment i think i even bought a couple CDs and took them back to the store before they wised up and stopped taking returns.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 2:40 pm to vandelay industries
Spotify and Pandora and Apple Music
why would I buy an album when I can just pay my little 9.99 premium for one month and get any album by any artist right to my phone in seconds?
why would I buy an album when I can just pay my little 9.99 premium for one month and get any album by any artist right to my phone in seconds?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:02 pm to SthGADawg
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get any album by any artist right to my phone in seconds?
but you can't. most of the music i enjoyed in the 80s-90s aren't on spotify. not sure about apple music because i dont have any apple products.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:30 pm to SthGADawg
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why would I buy an album when I can just pay my little 9.99 premium for one month and get any album by any artist right to my phone in seconds?
Maybe so that you can have an uncompressed version.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:35 pm to MountainTiger
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Maybe so that you can have an uncompressed version.
- bootleg concerts
- eleventy billion different pressings of Dark Side of the Moon or any other album that has more than one re-issue
- razormaid remixes (or any remixes really)
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:36 pm to vandelay industries
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The target audience for music is usually teenagers to the under 30 crowd.
Generally speaking, people under 30 have no concept of an "album." They've been fed singles and pure radio bullshite their whole lives.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:56 pm to vandelay industries
No, the internet was. And Music industry's ridiculously slow response to the Internet was a factor. They actually invited Napster because they didn't have their stuff available online even for a price. Contrast that with the way the movie and TV in the street treats recorded shows.
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