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Was illegal downloading really THE reason for the music biz's death?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:35 am
If you look at the revenues for the last 20 years, album sales have decreased at nearly the same exact rate that electronics sales (phones, videogames, internet, TVs, etc) have increased. The target audience for music is usually teenagers to the under 30 crowd...is it possible that they're simply spread too thin to be spending alot of money on albums? I mean, when I was a teenager, if I was on the hook for a monthly phone + internet bill alone (never mind the other expenses), that'd certainly cut out alot of my music purchases too.
That's not to say that people don't illegally download. But if I were to believe the crusty label execs who say that was the reason for the decline of music sales, then I'd have to believe that the majority of the population was doing it, which I find laughable...I mean, even today, most folks I know couldn't be bothered to figure out how to fileshare. Not to mention, many people who illegally downloaded weren't actually "legit" customers to begin with, so you can you count something as a "lost" sale if that person never had any intention of buying it in the first place?
I dunno, I just think priorities and obligations have changed over the years, and the music biz ignored it, plain and simple...
That's not to say that people don't illegally download. But if I were to believe the crusty label execs who say that was the reason for the decline of music sales, then I'd have to believe that the majority of the population was doing it, which I find laughable...I mean, even today, most folks I know couldn't be bothered to figure out how to fileshare. Not to mention, many people who illegally downloaded weren't actually "legit" customers to begin with, so you can you count something as a "lost" sale if that person never had any intention of buying it in the first place?
I dunno, I just think priorities and obligations have changed over the years, and the music biz ignored it, plain and simple...
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:37 am to vandelay industries
Live music is bigger than ever
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:44 am to vandelay industries
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music biz's death
Link?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:44 am to vandelay industries
No, not promoting music worth purchasing was the downfall of the music business.
If your business model is telling people what they should like and jamming it down their throats rather than listening to what they want and tailoring the product accordingly, you're going to turn a lot of people off and lose a lot of customers.
If your business model is telling people what they should like and jamming it down their throats rather than listening to what they want and tailoring the product accordingly, you're going to turn a lot of people off and lose a lot of customers.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:45 am to HeadyBrosevelt
quote:
Live music is bigger than ever
Sure, but look who's carrying the torch, mostly older bands. Once they're gone, then what?
FWIW, personally I think a good show is a good show, whether it's in a stadium or a theatre, so any more changes in the musical landscape won't make any difference to me...
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:46 am to lsu2006
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Link?
C'mon, you know what I mean. Of course there are great bands out there, and there always will be.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:56 am to vandelay industries
quote:
C'mon, you know what I mean.
No, I'm really not sure I do. The business has just evolved to different platforms and mediums. Just because people aren't buying compact discs doesn't mean the industry is dead.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:00 am to vandelay industries
Probably. I mean it couldn't have helped. I haven't bought any music in well over a decade.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:03 am to lsu2006
From the perspective of music having always been an accessible mainstream entity in years past, it certainly isn't anywhere near what it was. But yes, there will always be a "music business" in the technical sense...
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:18 am to vandelay industries
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From the perspective of music having always been an accessible mainstream entity in years past, it certainly isn't anywhere near what it was.
Paying $10/month to stream all the music in the world sounds pretty accessible to me.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:43 am to lsu2006
You're right. But in my OP, I was trying to speak from the perspective of the big labels, who pretty much blamed the decline of album sales solely on filesharing. I countered that the target audience can't buy as many albums as they used to, because they have expenses on their plates which we older folks didn't have when we were their ages. If I had a monthly phone bill + internet to deal with way back when, that'd definitely mean much fewer music purchases in the end.
Now, the labels' eventual reaction to that might've been to offer streaming services and the like, which is indeed a nice option (for the customer anyway), and yes that's where we are now. Of course, the cynic in me thinks many artists are getting fricked in entirely new ways b/c they bought into the "boogeymen downloaders" party line touted by the big labels, but that's probably another discussion, lol...
Now, the labels' eventual reaction to that might've been to offer streaming services and the like, which is indeed a nice option (for the customer anyway), and yes that's where we are now. Of course, the cynic in me thinks many artists are getting fricked in entirely new ways b/c they bought into the "boogeymen downloaders" party line touted by the big labels, but that's probably another discussion, lol...
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:39 pm to vandelay industries
File sharing is very 2000-2001. Albums are lost now. I never thought the world would reach a place that CDs became obsolete. Now everyone streams or buys song by song. Which is great in a way. Every album has a couple turds. But there is no excitement over albums. Which used to drive the music business. Couple that with everything being on YouTube as well.
What I miss is the sound quality of CD. What's the point of home theater or a sound system without the clarity?
In addition, music has no "movements" really. Nothing like Seattle music. Which is the last one I can recall. Bands also do not seem to stay together. Auto tune and pop music slowly killed it. It's also hit both genres. Pop and rock hit at the same time as Bro Country.
The biggest thing now is EDM and DJs. Which is sad. Or I should say the biggest movement I can think of if asked is EDM.
What I miss is the sound quality of CD. What's the point of home theater or a sound system without the clarity?
In addition, music has no "movements" really. Nothing like Seattle music. Which is the last one I can recall. Bands also do not seem to stay together. Auto tune and pop music slowly killed it. It's also hit both genres. Pop and rock hit at the same time as Bro Country.
The biggest thing now is EDM and DJs. Which is sad. Or I should say the biggest movement I can think of if asked is EDM.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:47 pm to vandelay industries
quote:
Was illegal downloading really THE reason for the music biz's death?
No shitty music coupled with fake bands were reasons
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:21 pm to kingbob
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If your business model is telling people what they should like and jamming it down their throats rather than listening to what they want and tailoring the product accordingly, you're going to turn a lot of people off and lose a lot of customers.
Tell that to Apple.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:23 pm to Wtodd
I think there are several things going on....
- Competition for media time - ie. internet
- competition for medium - i.e. streaming
- Move to a services model - give away the good, charge for value add. This is what many IP related businesses are going to, as IP is just difficult to keep contained. Better to give the IP away, and then charge for things associated with it (concerts).
- Competition for media time - ie. internet
- competition for medium - i.e. streaming
- Move to a services model - give away the good, charge for value add. This is what many IP related businesses are going to, as IP is just difficult to keep contained. Better to give the IP away, and then charge for things associated with it (concerts).
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:28 pm to Jester
Hence why apple's market share of the smartphone, pc, and tablet markets have all dropped significantly over the last 4 years.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:34 pm to vandelay industries
the way we knew it. Yes.
It evolved though, no such thing as those massive deals for bands anymore.
Physical albums are almost obsolete. Its sad in a lot of ways. A lot of the fun has been taken out, but..they were asking for it at like $18 a cd at times.
It evolved though, no such thing as those massive deals for bands anymore.
Physical albums are almost obsolete. Its sad in a lot of ways. A lot of the fun has been taken out, but..they were asking for it at like $18 a cd at times.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:02 pm to vandelay industries
Do people actually illegally download music anymore?
I spend $10 a month for Spotify, and I can listen to almost anything that's been released. I'd much rather do that, than try and find good links to songs and then download them to my computer, then to my phone.
The music business today is totally different from what it was 20 years ago, and that's because of being able to get music anywhere. Your aren't seeing albums being sold as much anymore, but we live in a time where songs go multi platinum because people just buy that one song for $.99.
I also think the new way of doing things has helped artists. It doesn't take much for any artist without a record contract to get their music online for anyone to hear, unlike the past where the physical copy was all you had.
It also allows record companies take more chances on artists. They can sign an artist and throw out a 4 song EP on Apple/Amazon and see where it goes from there. If the artist is successful, they do a full album.
It's great for the consumer. More music to choose from.
I spend $10 a month for Spotify, and I can listen to almost anything that's been released. I'd much rather do that, than try and find good links to songs and then download them to my computer, then to my phone.
The music business today is totally different from what it was 20 years ago, and that's because of being able to get music anywhere. Your aren't seeing albums being sold as much anymore, but we live in a time where songs go multi platinum because people just buy that one song for $.99.
I also think the new way of doing things has helped artists. It doesn't take much for any artist without a record contract to get their music online for anyone to hear, unlike the past where the physical copy was all you had.
It also allows record companies take more chances on artists. They can sign an artist and throw out a 4 song EP on Apple/Amazon and see where it goes from there. If the artist is successful, they do a full album.
It's great for the consumer. More music to choose from.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:12 pm to vandelay industries
quote:
Sure, but look who's carrying the torch, mostly older bands. Once they're gone, then what?
Reunion tours for classic rock band Maroon 5
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:16 pm to kingbob
quote:
If your business model is telling people what they should like and jamming it down their throats rather than listening to what they want and tailoring the product accordingly, you're going to turn a lot of people off and lose a lot of customers.
This is the way the music business has operated since the beginning of time
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