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re: Serious Taylor Swift question

Posted on 6/25/23 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 3:52 pm to
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y. Not a fan of her more recent overtly commercialized pop stuff, but I can see why it sells. Thought her earlier acoustic guitar-driven stuff demonstrated a lot of songwriting talent though.

Could say the same for many... Billy Joel comes to mind instantly. You could toss in Fleetwood Mac, D'Eagles, and so on.

Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38349 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 4:44 pm to
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She did write her own songs.
I've always been deeply skeptical of this.

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I don;t know how much of the lifting she does know on writing?
I can't imagine it's more than contributing a lyric or two. Seems inconceivable she writes the backbeats or melodies (you know, the actual hard part.)
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38349 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 4:46 pm to
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Serious Taylor Swift question
Help me understand why she is a superstar. I’m not debating her lyrics. I’m sure they are great. It’s the actual melodies, the music itself I have a problem with.

I have pulled up her top ten songs on YouTube and have yet to hear one even remotely decent interesting catchy tune. The actual melodies are completely lame, lackluster and uninteresting. Very amateur sounding and uninspired.
I understand her being popular. My question is around the absolutely next-level, Beyonce-beating tier of stardom she's reached. It's demi-god status now. THAT I don't get.

As for the songs, there are a lot of good ones - it's Max Martin, after all.

I think Enchanted is by far the best one. The pre-chorus and chorus melodies are banging and it actually has an interesting arrangement.

Cruel Summer
22
Welcome to NY
Blank Space

those are all really good too.
Posted by Prosecuted Collins
The Farm
Member since Sep 2003
7204 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:09 pm to
False God
Exile
Coney Island
August
The 1
Style
All too well

Writes every song……
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
26146 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:22 pm to
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I can't imagine it's more than contributing a lyric or two.


I remember a story about John Mayer talking to one of my producers friends in LA asking about her and if she is writing this stuff. She apparently 100% writes the vast majority of it, and it’s basically beefed up with professional arrangements and proper musicians. I have no doubt she is a pretty gifted pop artist, if you’re into that type of “women empowerment” type of pop. Which I’m not really, but I’m not hating on her.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38349 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:53 pm to
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She apparently 100% writes the vast majority of it,
I'm impressed if it's true, but still have a hard time believing it. Why hasn't she written for anyone else if she's that good?

They try this shite with Adele too. The guy from Semisonic is her big writing partner. And by that, I mean he comes up with all the melodies and most of the lyrics and then Adele writes one line.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27571 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:58 pm to
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My question is around the absolutely next-level, Beyonce-beating tier of stardom


My question to you is, who else?

I don't really disagree with you. This is a music vacuum now.
Posted by Darla Hood
Near that place by that other place
Member since Aug 2012
14108 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 6:38 pm to
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She's the female Ed Sheeran and that's not a compliment.

Obviously, a lot of y’all don’t like to dance, but guess what? Some people like music to dance to and Ed Sheeran’s Shape of You, Shivers, Dancing With My Eyes Closed… all fun as hell to dance to. Taylor’s Cruel Summer has its danceable moments, as well. Some music is just for fun.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72922 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:32 pm to
I don't understand why so many people get triggered by Tay Tay. She's not artificially elevated, people actually love her music, and she has a very long and sustained career. She hasn't overdosed or died in a maserati crash, she just keeps putting out hits and selling out shows. What more can you ask of a musician? Make an experimental album screeching like Yoko? I love Taylor Swift.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 8:33 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38349 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:34 pm to
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My question to you is, who else?

I don't really disagree with you. This is a music vacuum now.
What actually happened to Beyonce?
Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
Member since Dec 2019
3594 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:18 pm to
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I have pulled up her top ten songs on YouTube and have yet to hear one even remotely decent interesting catchy tune.


You’re listening wrong. Swift’s catalog is catchy as hell, especially the 1989 record. She’s one of the few artists working today who could’ve hung on the pop charts in the 1980s.
Posted by tigerterrace
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Sep 2016
3475 posts
Posted on 6/25/23 at 11:10 pm to
YES IT IS WHITE PEOPLE.

if you had a 15 year old daughter would you want her listening to Beyonce or Nikki Manaj. Hardly.

This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 1:28 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69237 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 12:08 am to
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I know the name, but no clue about any of his songs


Outside of “Shape of You”, he has some really solid songs. “Perfect”, “Thinking Out Loud”, “Castle on the Hill”, etc. He’s really entertaining live, as well. He’s like a jonathan edwards from the 70’s or Sting in the 90’s. He’s a singer/songwriter making soft rock ballads with an acoustic guitar.

A lot of pop musicians, like Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo, Billy Eilish, Shawn Mendes, etc are making catchy simple songs that connect with an audience. Let’s not pretend most classic rock is more complicated. 90% of “dad” rock is just a riff on 12 bar blues or a 4 chord song (Pachelbel’s canon).

Some people make songs about f$&kin, some make songs about love, others make dongs about how cool they are, their addictions, the places that are special to them, trains, some about how sad they are, or how strong they are, or how they see our world needs to change. There’s plenty of room in music for silly little love somgs and breakup songs. Everyone falls in and out of love, so those kinds of songs will always have a place in music.
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 9:34 am
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
34748 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:17 am to
What I can’t understand is how a grown man enjoys that dreck. It’s embarrassing.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
26146 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 4:49 am to
Her fan base is 12-30 year old girls. It’s not grown men. Grown men are standing outside waiting for their daughters to come out.
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
61491 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 9:10 am to
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Why hasn't she written for anyone else if she's that
A quick google search will tell you she has.

This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 9:12 am
Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
Member since Dec 2019
3594 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 9:41 am to
A big part of her fame that may be overlooked is that her music is safe for commutes with the kids in the backseat. That's rare, these days.

She's all too happy to fill this void in a world filled with WAP and things of that nature. Good for her.
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
4177 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 10:36 am to
Ahh, the Michael Jackson songwriting crediting method.
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
4177 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 10:37 am to
I work in the school system were I live. Now granted, I'm only exposed to a few schools in one city, but young girls of ALL races and ethnicities love her where I'm at.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
28038 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 11:18 am to
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Accept the fact that some music isn’t made with you in mind



This is true. Plenty of music is made for the lowest common denominator
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