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re: Rock is dead. A reminder of its pinnacle.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:15 am to The Seaward
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:15 am to The Seaward
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Is that supposed to be some prerequisite to making good rock music?
statistics show it doesn't hurt
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Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:16 am to RockAndRollDetective
"Rock is Dead" to me implies that there is no one out there making good rock music. And that is not the case.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:24 am to ItNeverRains
Randy Blythe from LOG was on trial for manslaughter in the Czech Republic. Tim Lambesis from As I Lay Dying just got out of jail for trying to pay someone to murder his wife. Phil Anselmo pissed off the French government. Mastodon was kicked off of Ozzfest for partying too hard. Oderus Urungus died of a heroin overdose. Jeff Hanneman's arm nearly rotted off before he died from liver failure because he was an alcoholic.
Just a few recent rock star shenanigans.
Just a few recent rock star shenanigans.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:49 am to TejasHorn
Rock isn't dead outright, but it's certainly dead on top 40 terrestrial radio. Whenever they DO play a rock song, it's almost always a throwback tune from past decades...
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:52 am to Brosef Stalin
The issue is the lack of ability for new artists to reach the masses. The infrastructure for artists who came into being post 2008, simply isn't there. Those crowds typically are showing up for artists who have been popular for 20+ years like Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, Guns n Roses, AC/DC, Metallica, etc. "Classic" rock has an infrastructure. They have radio stations that reach every town in America on FM. New rock n roll doesn't. Only the largest cities have it. It rarely shows up in advertisements nor is it often seen in TV broadcasts with few exceptions.
There are still lots of great bands out there making great music. There are still lots of fans going to concerts, but it is far more difficult to connect those people to the new music-makers than it once was when rock radio reached far and wide. The ladder has been pulled up. Those who are famous and successful already were 10 years ago. Those who are up and coming, have a much harder road to break out into the public consciousness.
Rock and roll ain't dead. It will never fully die in the hearts of die hards, but popular culture has passed it by. The youth have passed it by. The ladder has been pulled up. Aging rockers who have become tribute bands to their faded glory and literal tribute bands will reign supreme. Newbies have almost zero shot.
There are still lots of great bands out there making great music. There are still lots of fans going to concerts, but it is far more difficult to connect those people to the new music-makers than it once was when rock radio reached far and wide. The ladder has been pulled up. Those who are famous and successful already were 10 years ago. Those who are up and coming, have a much harder road to break out into the public consciousness.
Rock and roll ain't dead. It will never fully die in the hearts of die hards, but popular culture has passed it by. The youth have passed it by. The ladder has been pulled up. Aging rockers who have become tribute bands to their faded glory and literal tribute bands will reign supreme. Newbies have almost zero shot.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:55 am to vandelay industries
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Rock isn't dead outright, but it's certainly dead on top 40 terrestrial radio. Whenever they DO play a rock song, it's almost always a throwback tune from past decades...
Or it's "listen to this driving rock SMASH hit by the Indie rock sensation 'I can Make Your Hands Clap!'" or it's f&%king Coldplay, the Eagles of our generation.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 12:02 pm to kingbob
New bands make a name for themselves live. Open for big names, play some festivals, put out a few videos on youtube. If you are any good, the people going to festivals to see Disturbed or Korn or Foo Fighters or whoever will enjoy your set and want to investigate your band further. They'll look you up on youtube, facebook, twitter, etc to find out more about the band and then if they like you, will buy your album through itunes and go see your headline show at the small club in town. Arena and festival headliners don't just pop up overnight.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 12:44 pm to The Seaward
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"Rock is Dead" to me implies that there is no one out there making good rock music. And that is not the case.
There's no sense in qualifying it in terms of quality by proclaiming it to be "good" or otherwise. That pivots to a completely different discussion. Personally I think the things that get held up as "good rock music" these days are more a de-evolution of alt-rock which was always (as the name indicates) an "alternative" to rock music. But as always with this particular subject, that's not even the point.
It can be argued that if you bring up an artist as an example of the supposedly thriving rock genre and almost everybody responds with "Who?" or if they can't even name a song by that artist or identify what that artist sounds like, it's an indication that the genre is completely off the radar, if not "dead". And there's always the notion of a tree falling in the forest; how can the genre NOT be dead if a reasonable percentage of people don't even know or care about it? By contrast, when rock music WAS thriving, one didn't even have to be a fan of a certain artist to A. know what they sounded like, B. know who the artist was if they saw them, C. be able to name a song by that artist.
The idea of rock music being dead has absolutely nothing to do with whether somebody somewhere is still doing it or not. That is a pitiful minimum requisite to go by. It has no cultural relevance or impact anymore and that's what prompts people to call it deceased.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 1:31 pm to RockAndRollDetective
Rock as an attitude is dead. It serves no purpose.
The anti-what you parents said of the 50's and 60's
The rebellious spirit of Punk
The creativity and innovation of Industrial
The UK to US freight train of post-punk and new wave
The egocentric "hair metal" of the 80's
The rebirth of the 1960's thru the 90's
And today?
The anti-what you parents said of the 50's and 60's
The rebellious spirit of Punk
The creativity and innovation of Industrial
The UK to US freight train of post-punk and new wave
The egocentric "hair metal" of the 80's
The rebirth of the 1960's thru the 90's
And today?
Posted on 2/11/17 at 1:44 pm to PiscesTiger
This is a very good point. Rock n roll stands for nothing but itself right now. There's no great cause to rally behind. There's no sexual revolution, no indictment of "the man", no draft, no rejection of rampant consumerism, ect. There's no unifying movement because rock is no longer the vessel for societal change, and even if there was, there is little left to protest but bs social issues.
"I'm mad as hell and not going to take it!" Only works if you have something justified to be mad about. Student loans, the lack of entry level white collar jobs, atc cracking down the on microbreweries, ect, these causes just aren't that important.
At this point, it all just feels very inauthentic, try-hard, and posing. At least it's not as bad as bro country in that respect. It just seems directionless, aimless, and lost. Trapped in its own self importance, taking itself too seriously to be taken seriously.
"I'm mad as hell and not going to take it!" Only works if you have something justified to be mad about. Student loans, the lack of entry level white collar jobs, atc cracking down the on microbreweries, ect, these causes just aren't that important.
At this point, it all just feels very inauthentic, try-hard, and posing. At least it's not as bad as bro country in that respect. It just seems directionless, aimless, and lost. Trapped in its own self importance, taking itself too seriously to be taken seriously.
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 2/11/17 at 1:45 pm to PiscesTiger
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Rock as an attitude is dead. It serves no purpose. The anti-what you parents said of the 50's and 60's The rebellious spirit of Punk The creativity and innovation of Industrial The UK to US freight train of post-punk and new wave The egocentric "hair metal" of the 80's The rebirth of the 1960's thru the 90's And today?
Nothing
Forget guys like Morrison, Freddie, Axl, Weiland, i'd jump for joy over the next Casablancas
Posted on 2/11/17 at 1:51 pm to ItNeverRains
"rock is dead because there are no issues to protest"
"rock is dead because there's no rebellion anymore"
No... To this board rock is dead because you have become "the man"
Rock n roll became a thing to rebel against the people like the ones on this board and the political board who are so out of touch that it frightens them
"rock is dead because there's no rebellion anymore"
No... To this board rock is dead because you have become "the man"
Rock n roll became a thing to rebel against the people like the ones on this board and the political board who are so out of touch that it frightens them
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:00 pm to chewstick
We're about to get 8 years of anti government protest rock. There's plenty for them to be mad about.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:20 pm to The Seaward
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Rock isn't dead.
It just smells funny.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:41 pm to kingbob
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There's no great cause to rally behind.
Ummm, there is arguably no better cause than the current political climate...
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:59 pm to chewstick
I think we're just too self-aware and comfortable as a society to take rock and roll seriously. When I was younger, we used to make fun of the angsty pop-punk and emo kids as whiners. It was kind of a "wtf do these suburban white kids have to be so damn depressed about?" That line of thinking has penetrated our whole society. You can't be the angsty angry teenager forever and be taken seriously, but if you mature, you're a "sellout".
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:02 pm to chewstick
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Rock n roll became a thing to rebel against the people like the ones on this board and the political board who are so out of touch that it frightens them
Maybe there are more people so out of touch they are frightened like the ones on this and the poli board because rock is dead and therefore, the rebellious nature it inspires
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:27 pm to TFTC
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Ummm, there is arguably no better cause than the current political climate...
Hmm...use made-up issues to stand up to the conservatives and be patted on the back by the media while half the country sees me as an out of touch ignoramus, or stand up to PC culture and have my life dismantled by "tolerant" a-holes who will make me out to be an evil bigot and engage in vandalism. I guess I'll just make music about making money, getting drunk, and having sex.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:31 pm to kingbob
Do you think conservative folks have ever thought that rebellious music was necessary? I mean, we already have Toby Keith.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:43 pm to kingbob
I wasn't talking about you personally (I didn't realize you were a musician)... The politically inclined will have a lot of material to use...
But you'll get your fair share of ridicule if thats all your songs are about..
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I guess I'll just make music about making money, getting drunk, and having sex.
But you'll get your fair share of ridicule if thats all your songs are about..
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 3:44 pm
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