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Question for song writers. How do you put together a song like this?
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:48 am
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:48 am
Tuesday's gone
Is it a melody and lyrics that were creeping and crawling around in the lead singer's head ( Van Zant ); then the band runs with it after a shite load of practice sessions?
Or
Do they have the melody they want, and write lyrics to it after?
I've never been in a band.
Is it a melody and lyrics that were creeping and crawling around in the lead singer's head ( Van Zant ); then the band runs with it after a shite load of practice sessions?
Or
Do they have the melody they want, and write lyrics to it after?
I've never been in a band.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:52 am to James11111
Usually whoever writes the song will write it and then play what they came up with for the rest of the group.
Then the band gets together and expands on that original idea.
In some cases it may be a team effort for the writing process. Some people work better when they can bounce ideas off each other or sometimes you get a writers block and need someone to help get you over it.
ETA: I typically write lyrics first then music but most others I know do the opposite.
Then the band gets together and expands on that original idea.
In some cases it may be a team effort for the writing process. Some people work better when they can bounce ideas off each other or sometimes you get a writers block and need someone to help get you over it.
ETA: I typically write lyrics first then music but most others I know do the opposite.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 12:54 am
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:58 am to imjustafatkid
So in most cases, the originator creates the melody and lyrics?
Or is it mixed? Some people come with a melody, and don't have any lyrics.
I dont see the point in coming with lyrics only. The melody is what makes the song.
Or is it mixed? Some people come with a melody, and don't have any lyrics.
I dont see the point in coming with lyrics only. The melody is what makes the song.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:58 am to James11111
Different people work differently
Dylan usually wrote lyrics first
Paul McCartney came up with the music for "Yesterday" a couple of years before writing the lyric we now know. This was the original "dummy" lyric:
Scrambled Eggs
Someday soon you'll have to shave your legs...
Dylan usually wrote lyrics first
Paul McCartney came up with the music for "Yesterday" a couple of years before writing the lyric we now know. This was the original "dummy" lyric:
Scrambled Eggs
Someday soon you'll have to shave your legs...
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:01 am to Kafka
quote:
Scrambled Eggs
Someday soon you'll have to shave your legs...
Still would have been a hit. Cash money proved this.
Also the Beach Boys.
Melody's rule!
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 1:03 am
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:02 am to James11111
Music is written first 99% of the time.
Someone in a band will bring a melody, riff, bass line, drum beat, etc and then they'll iterate it on it
Someone in a band will bring a melody, riff, bass line, drum beat, etc and then they'll iterate it on it
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:02 am to James11111
quote:2 Broadway show teams:
So in most cases, the originator creates the melody and lyrics?
Rodgers & Hart - Rodgers wrote the music first
Rodgers & Hammerstein - Hammerstein wrote the lyrics first
Same composer, but modified his M.O. to best suit the collaboration
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:10 am to James11111
quote:Classic if almost certainly apocryphal Broadway story:
I dont see the point in coming with lyrics only. The melody is what makes the song
Mrs Jerome Kern and Mrs Oscar Hammerstein were at a party. Mrs Kern introduced herself by saying, "My husband wrote 'Old Man River'".
To which Mrs Hammerstein replied, " No, my husband wrote 'Old Man River'. Her husband wrote, 'Daaah dah, dah dah'".

Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:12 am to Kafka
quote:
'Daaah dah, dah dah'"
One of my favorites.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:14 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
ETA: I typically write lyrics first then music but most others I know do the opposite.
Yeah, that's definitely the opposite of the way most people do it. But if it works for you, it works.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 2:14 am to James11111
From what I’ve read. Ronnie normally wrote lyrics after hearing a melody. For example when Ed King came up with the Sweet Home riff, he told Ed to keep playing it. After a little while he sent the rest of the band outside and penned the lyrics.
I think he was inspired by melodies to write lyrics
I think he was inspired by melodies to write lyrics
Posted on 11/23/23 at 5:27 am to Carson123987
quote:
Music is written first 99% of the time.
This is 100% wrong
quote:
that's definitely the opposite of the way most people do it
No it isn't
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 5:30 am
Posted on 11/23/23 at 6:26 am to Kafka
quote:
2 Broadway show teams:
Rodgers & Hart - Rodgers wrote the music first
Rodgers & Hammerstein - Hammerstein wrote the lyrics first
Thank you. Someone needed to please the OT’s broadway show tunes crowd.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 6:36 am to James11111
quote:
I dont see the point in coming with lyrics only.
You don’t understand how song writers might like to write poetry?
Posted on 11/23/23 at 6:54 am to geauxbrown
quote:
After a little while he sent the rest of the band outside and penned the lyrics.
Ronnie went down to the river and fished off the dock at hell house, coming up with lyrics, as he could hear the band inside the shack playing.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 6:56 am to James11111
Probably the worst Skynyrd song out there!
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:06 am to James11111
In college, I would collaborate with a friend of mine who also played the guitar. We would sit around and come up with some chords and just start adding lyrics. Sometimes he would take the lead and vice versa. Most of the songs were pornographic and raunchy but we were a big hit at parties and sang at a local juke joint from time to time.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:07 am to mmonro3
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Probably the worst Skynyrd song out there!
Meet me at the sonic in Gluckstadt at 4:30.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:11 am to James11111
Watch the Get Back documentary on the Beetles. As someone with no experience or musical talent, it was fascinating watching them work and morph songs until they turned into the hits most people know today.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:13 am to James11111
Usually I get a booger in my brain and just build off of that, and the melody comes during the process or later.
But writing with a group is different
But writing with a group is different
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