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re: have pop artists always blatantly ripped off lesser known artists?
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:50 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:50 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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you have like ten posts in this thread
i don't understand your angle at all
Just reading and replying, while I play my guitar. It's funny to see people get worked up over songs that seem like they were written by teenage girls.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:19 am to auggie
quote:who is worked up?
It's funny to see people get worked up over songs that seem like they were written by teenage girls.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 10:31 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
who is worked up?
Not you. You only started a thread about somebody stealing a computer generated piece of crappy music.
The computers should be pissed off, because they did most of the real work on both songs, and aren't getting any credit.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 12:03 pm to Kafka
Can't believe you got downvotes on that. It's funny as hell.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 1:58 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
I watched Rick Beato talking about these songs the other day.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 2:10 pm to rexorotten
Chord progressions have all been done. Hard not to copy. The artists get paid off the melody and lyrics. You can copy chord progressions all day long. You copy a melody or lyrics and you will get sued.
I laugh when I constantly hear people saying rock and pop bands stole all their music from the blues. No. Any progressions written were already written 500 years ago by some guy on violin or piano.
I laugh when I constantly hear people saying rock and pop bands stole all their music from the blues. No. Any progressions written were already written 500 years ago by some guy on violin or piano.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 3:40 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
When I discovered Kraftwerk, I realized I had already heard most of their sounds, just in other songs.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 4:23 pm to AlxTgr
As a songwriter, myself, I find that certain types of music are made FOR nostalgia purposes. A lot of modern country is meant to trick the listener into pulling up old fond memories of when they were younger listening to better music. That's why it's full of so many references and screaming for legitimacy. It's literally trying to use your fond memories of when country music was "good" to trick you into enjoying their music that has nothing to say and even less to offer the listener.
While tracking my current album (which is in the style of pop punk), I did something similar, but in a much more subtle way. Rather than outright tell you that I'm "listening to Old Alabama, riding through Tennessee" or that we're listening to "a little Ol' Hank", I would take a classic pop punk song's vocal melody and work a snippet of it into a guitar lead at a key point.
For example, I have this one song where the lyrics say "that song we shared on those long bus rides, I think it still goes like..." and the next thing you hear is a short melodic guitar solo. That melody mirrors the vocal melody from the first verse of the song the "narrator" and his lost love were listening to in the headphones. If you were into that genre of music, then you'd hear that lead and feel that nostalgia from memories made with that song when you were young (the song being referenced also being called "Memory" was just icing on the cake, where the song I'm making is almost fulfilling the request made in the singer of the original song).
There's something similar in another one where coming out of the intro into the verse, I noticed that I was doing setting up something very similar to a Sum 41 song. The key was different and the rhythm of the guitar and drums was on the up beat instead of the down, but I noticed that I had unintentionally landed in a similar spot. Rather than run away from it, I embraced it and had the bass copy the bass line from that spot in the Sum 41 song just for those couple bars where it was exposed.
In other spots, I might try to mimic a vocal fry of the artist who's song inspired that part, or I might use a similar sounding (but not the same) drum fill. The idea is to establish with the listener a certain familiarity that's comforting while also using it as a base to tell my own stories.
In some spots, I even intentionally rip progressions from my own previous songs, usually with an inside joke hidden in the lyrics to clue the listener in. I know no one notices this stuff to me, but the Easter Eggs are worth the squeeze, so to speak.

While tracking my current album (which is in the style of pop punk), I did something similar, but in a much more subtle way. Rather than outright tell you that I'm "listening to Old Alabama, riding through Tennessee" or that we're listening to "a little Ol' Hank", I would take a classic pop punk song's vocal melody and work a snippet of it into a guitar lead at a key point.
For example, I have this one song where the lyrics say "that song we shared on those long bus rides, I think it still goes like..." and the next thing you hear is a short melodic guitar solo. That melody mirrors the vocal melody from the first verse of the song the "narrator" and his lost love were listening to in the headphones. If you were into that genre of music, then you'd hear that lead and feel that nostalgia from memories made with that song when you were young (the song being referenced also being called "Memory" was just icing on the cake, where the song I'm making is almost fulfilling the request made in the singer of the original song).
There's something similar in another one where coming out of the intro into the verse, I noticed that I was doing setting up something very similar to a Sum 41 song. The key was different and the rhythm of the guitar and drums was on the up beat instead of the down, but I noticed that I had unintentionally landed in a similar spot. Rather than run away from it, I embraced it and had the bass copy the bass line from that spot in the Sum 41 song just for those couple bars where it was exposed.
In other spots, I might try to mimic a vocal fry of the artist who's song inspired that part, or I might use a similar sounding (but not the same) drum fill. The idea is to establish with the listener a certain familiarity that's comforting while also using it as a base to tell my own stories.
In some spots, I even intentionally rip progressions from my own previous songs, usually with an inside joke hidden in the lyrics to clue the listener in. I know no one notices this stuff to me, but the Easter Eggs are worth the squeeze, so to speak.

Posted on 3/7/22 at 4:38 pm to kingbob
quote:Watch out-you might get sued.
I even intentionally rip progressions from my own previous songs
Posted on 3/7/22 at 7:17 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Some much more than others


Posted on 3/7/22 at 10:37 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
Watch out-you might get sued.
Every lawyer’s dream: to sue himself.
Posted on 3/7/22 at 10:56 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
The thing about pop is there's not much you can do with tone and tempo. That's what's pop is, the same formula for everything. With different styles of music you can play the same notes but slow it down or speed it up, experiment with different tones, and you've got a completely different song
Posted on 3/7/22 at 11:27 pm to 14&Counting
Got to be honest... I listed to that song and it sounds nothing like levitating lol.
I mean maybe if we’re talking about the first few seconds of the beat to a different much slower tune, sure. But then it just says “yahoo” for 3 minutes straight.
I’ve seen (heard) songs ripped off before and was expecting like a carbon copy but this to me is pretty bland at best,
I mean maybe if we’re talking about the first few seconds of the beat to a different much slower tune, sure. But then it just says “yahoo” for 3 minutes straight.
I’ve seen (heard) songs ripped off before and was expecting like a carbon copy but this to me is pretty bland at best,
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:43 am to kingbob
quote:Yeah, no. Was talking about Fogerty.
Every lawyer’s dream: to sue himself.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:44 am to kingbob
quote:
Every lawyer’s dream: to sue himself.
Maybe not yourself, but be careful if you had any collaborators on the songs you ripped. Just ask John Fogerty.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:49 am to AlxTgr
You beat me to it. I just looked and it wasn't collaborators that sued him, but the music company that had acquired rights to Run Through The Jungle. So, in a twisted kind of way, it was like he was suing himself just through a third party.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 8:52 am to wareaglepete
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Maybe not yourself, but be careful if you had any collaborators on the songs you ripped. Just ask John Fogerty.
Yeah, I don't really have any collaborators (I have band mates, but they're not listed as songwriters on any of these particular songs, just on the ones they wrote), and no one owns my songs but me. I think I'm pretty safe. If I'm lifting a piece of one of my own songs to use in another, it's for a thematic reason (the two songs are two parts of the same story). I can't see how anyone else could have a claim on that.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:42 am to kingbob
It was an attempt at humor. I often fail.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:44 am to AlxTgr
quote:
It was an attempt at humor. I often fail.
We all fail down some times
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