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have pop artists always blatantly ripped off lesser known artists?

Posted on 3/4/22 at 6:56 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 6:56 pm
i assume the answer to this is "yes", but has it always been this obvious?

olivia rodrigo's entire album was stolen, and "levitating" by dua lipa is a clear rip off as well. has it always been this bad?

levitating - dua lipa

Artikal Sound System - Live Your Life (Official Audio)

Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 7:15 pm to
You may not have heard, but they used to have rock bands in England. The Beatles and The Rolling Stones were two of the better-known ones.

There was also a group called Led Zeppelin, not really my cup of tea but I understand they were very popular.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 7:20 pm to
shut up
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 7:33 pm to
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 7:52 pm to
I love Levitating but Da Baby version sucks. The song Dua ripped off is inferior.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 8:04 pm to
Which one was stolen? and what part? Seems to me there is a computer to blame.
Also, if somebody stole either of those, they are likely to have a pocketful of cat turds, because they'll steal any kind of pure crap.
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 8:51 pm to
All bands and all songwriters lift inspiration from other music. There are only 12 notes in a chromatic scale. Most pop songs are only 3 or 4 chords. There’s only so many chord progressions. If you look hard enough, you can find something super similar to every song. Even the Beatles lifted entire chord progressions from songs they used to cover back in their Hamburg days. It’s often not intentional (either came up with something that already existed or a lick got stuck in their head without remembering where it came from), and even when intentional, 9/10 it’s not malicious.
This post was edited on 3/4/22 at 8:52 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:13 pm to
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All bands and all songwriters lift inspiration from other music. There are only 12 notes in a chromatic scale. Most pop songs are only 3 or 4 chords. There’s only so many chord progressions. If you look hard enough, you can find something super similar to every song. Even the Beatles lifted entire chord progressions from songs they used to cover back in their Hamburg days. It’s often not intentional (either came up with something that already existed or a lick got stuck in their head without remembering where it came from), and even when intentional, 9/10 it’s not malicious.

Yeah, this is the truth. All popular music is based on simple progressions that have been done thousands of times.
Something that happens quite a bit, one of the guys that I'm picking with will be playing something, and I start singing and he will say " wait a minute, I was playing so and so, song". I say, "well it's all the same", sometimes they get kind of pissed off, but it's true.
The other day, my friend started doing House Of The Rising Sun, on my telecaster, and I started singing Little Red Riding Hood. He didn't even realize that he knew that song but he made the adjustments right on time. He loved it, that's why he's my friend.
The lyrics are a different matter. Don't steal those.
This post was edited on 3/4/22 at 10:38 pm
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:26 pm to
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The lyrics are a different matter. Don't steal those.


There's a lot of good use of "lifted" lyrics in making an homage. For example, Nirvana's song "Come As You Are" has the line "Take your time, hurry up, the choice is yours, don't be late". Blink 182's "Adam’s Song" has a line that says "I took my time, hurried up, the choice was mine, I didn't think enough."
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 1:34 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 9:37 pm to
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There's a lot of good use of "lifted" lyrics in making an homage. For example, Nirvana's song "Come As You Are" has the line "Take your time, hurry up, the choice is yours, don't be late". Blink 182's "Adam Song" has a line that says "I took my time, hurried up, the choice was mine, I didn't think enough."


There's a difference between a couple of tribute lines, and basically stealing an idea. I will often work in phrases about something like " Killing Floor", or just using words like " crossroads", "redemption", etc..
On the basic progressions though, I like to borrow from The Beatles quite a bit, transpose it and country it out. Nobody notices that my fun cowboy tune, is really just Yellow Submarine in a different key and slightly adjusted timing with different lyrics. I'll be the first one to tell you though. I give credit where it's due.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 11:13 am
Posted by 14&Counting
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:16 pm to
Levitating is a shameless rip-off of Artikal Sound System and its not even debatable
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:24 pm to
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Levitating is a shameless rip-off of Artikal Sound System and its not even debatable

In what way? If it's the words, blame the writer. If it's the music, blame the software, because that's the type of thing that they are.
Posted by 14&Counting
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:27 pm to
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In what way?




In every single way

Are you deaf?
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31931 posts
Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:35 pm to
I listened to about 15 seconds of each song. The tunes were similar. Computer generated. That's the standard nowadays for that type of music.
If you use the same programs to generate your music, expect similar results.
Want things to be unique and sound different? Then actually use real musicians. Simple. But I'm the one who's deaf?
My robot would never dance with your robot, because your robot would keep doing The Robot all the time.

My new country song will be titled " My Robot From The Trailer Park" It's going to be a tear jerker.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 2:44 am
Posted by Treacherous Cretin
Columbus, OH
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 12:58 am to
Ever heard of Elvis Presley?
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31931 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 1:01 am to
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Ever heard of Elvis Presley?

What about him? Did the writers of the songs not get paid? Elvis didn't write songs, and never claimed that he did. He just sang songs written by other people.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 1:06 am
Posted by Crow Pie
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:44 am to
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All bands and all songwriters lift inspiration from other music. There are only 12 notes in a chromatic scale. Most pop songs are only 3 or 4 chords. There’s only so many chord progressions. If you look hard enough, you can find something super similar to every song. Even the Beatles lifted entire chord progressions from songs they used to cover back in their Hamburg days. It’s often not intentional (either came up with something that already existed or a lick got stuck in their head without remembering where it came from), and even when intentional, 9/10 it’s not malicious.
The amount of songs that use a basic variation of G, C & D is almost endless
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:45 am to
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I listened to about 15 seconds of each song.


You didn't listen to it, have a tin ear, or both.

Check out Rick Beato's breakdown of this shameless lift...same key, same melody, same chords, same vibe, same everything.

LINK

This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 8:49 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31931 posts
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:25 am to
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You didn't listen to it, have a tin ear, or both

I didn't care for it. I like real music.
quote:

Check out Rick Beato's breakdown of this shameless lift...same key, same melody, same chords, same vibe, same everything.

I don't care about Rick Beto, whoever that is. It's computer club type music, who cares? It's not like something that somebody toiled over for years, but hey, if that's your thing...
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:44 am to
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It's computer club type music, who cares?
you have like ten posts in this thread

i don't understand your angle at all
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