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re: ‘You People’ Review: Everything Wrong with the Modern Comedy
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:56 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:56 am to SammyTiger
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Nothing realistic about Ron Burgundy or Zoolander. But those are funny movies.
Hmm...not sure about that. Depends on what you mean by "realistic."
Anchorman was clearly a play on the "Mad Men"-esque machismo and misogyny of the 1970's workplace. So in that vein, many of the scenes hit home because of the context of that socio-historical foundation.
Zoolander was a play on the stereotypes of vapid, air-headed models and the dark curiosities of what goes on "behind the curtains" in the modeling/fashion industry.
Were they unrealistic in the sense that were over-the-top (by real world standards)? Sure, but that's what makes them caricatures, and therefore comedic.
Now, as to how that relates to "You People?" I have no idea; I haven't seen it.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 11:59 am
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:02 pm to L.A.
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movie critic john nolte writing for breitbart
Lol
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:03 pm to L.A.
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Of course there is. It's a send up of the pompous, air-headed news anchor. That's a reality so ubiquitous that it has become a stereotype.
If you’re willing to argue that Ron Burgundy is set in reality, then literally no character is not based in reality.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:05 pm to CocomoLSU
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The trailers convinced me of that.
The trailers convinced me that Jonah Hill must be old as frick. So I googled and realized he’s younger than me so now I feel sad and old.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:06 pm to SpqrTiger
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Not trying to be an a-hole. I agree with you. I just want to help you out.
It’s quite alright. I know the difference. The V and the B are right next to each other on a phone’s keyboard, so it was obviously an autocorrect after pressing b instead of v. But thanks for not trying to be an a-hole, because you clearly come across as one!
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:08 pm to SammyTiger
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If you’re willing to argue that Ron Burgundy is set in reality, then literally no character is not based in reality.
It's not that simple.
It's also about how the caricature is handled. Anchorman was an exercise in how to balance over-the-top with subtlety and wit.
Without that balance, over-the-top can get out of hand and completely whiff on the nugget of truth contained within.
Maybe the critic from the OP is being unfair. Maybe he's being insightful. I would need an example from "You People" to make a judgement call; I haven't seen it.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:08 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I don't know what you mean by "set in reality." Those are your words, not mine. What I said is that Ron Burgandy is a send up of reality. An exaggeration of something real.
If you’re willing to argue that Ron Burgundy is set in reality, then literally no character is not based in reality.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:11 pm to L.A.
Thisnis the quote from the article OP posted.
Is that true of Ron Burgundy? Do believe he is real?
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If the audience doesn’t believe the characters are real, they won’t laugh
Is that true of Ron Burgundy? Do believe he is real?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:15 pm to SammyTiger
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Is that true of Ron Burgundy? Do believe he is real?
It also mentions stretching reality. He's obviously a caricature of a news anchor, but I can absolutely believe that a news anchor is a moron that reads lines off a screen.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:16 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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The problem, though, is the people on the left watching this dribble and acting like what those right-wing people are saying isn’t true.
agreed with this.
i'm right wing and will comment, but don't lose my mind over woke/leftism stuff on movies.
i watch plenty of stuff that doesn't line up with my world view and enjoy it. i really only feel the need or care to comment when i think it's forced OR takes away from how good the material could have been and even then, i roll my eyes and move on most often.
what i think sends people like justafatkid,kaiju, or oml off the edge is when it's very obvious that hollywood is putting things as an agenda or pigeonholing something there that's not necessary. then people say "why are you noticing this? who cares. it's 2023." we notice because it's really obvious. if it wasn't obvious we wouldn't notice. they don't have to comment and i wish they wouldn't, but alas.
the last of us thread is an example. they took a series with 10 hours of run time and made 1/9th of it about a gay relationship that took up a few seconds in the game.
it's fine. i don't care. i haven't finished the episode, but it was shaping up to be a nice touching story. i still consider the ending of Black Sails to be one of the more romantic endings to a show. but acting like it wasn't done for modern sensitivities intended with a nod and wink dog whistle is just dishonest.
i think the rage posters rage more because people act like they're unhinged for noticing something illiberal and unorganic. i think they'd calm down if people would say, "yeah that's hamhanded and dumb. watch or don't."
but instead dawfan, bronc, or jay are have to call them bigoted and remind them they don't live in 1950 any more when that's not what they're saying.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:17 pm to SammyTiger
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Is that true of Ron Burgundy? Do believe he is real?
No, nobody believed Ron Burgundy was a real flesh-and-blood human being, but everything he did/said throughout the movie was a mashup of a bunch of shite you could imagine a dumb, arrogant, narcissistic misogynist doing in real life.
For example, take the scene near the end when he's in the bar with the Hispanic bartender who tries to give him sage advice about how the world is changing. To which Ron finally replies "What? I wasn't listening. Sorry, I don't speak Spanish."
Everyone laughs.
There is nothing unrealistic about that scene. Like I mentioned before, it is a perfect balance of caricature and subtlety.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:19 pm to JasonMason
To be fair, I didn't think Ron Burgundy was that funny either. It's a movie with some hilarious SNL-type moments, but overall the movie sucked.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
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In all seriousness, it's on my list to watch. Folks I know enjoyed it and said it was a decent comedy, nothing ground breaking. So that's pretty much what I'm expecting at this point.
Yeah, I ain’t like, buying this. Ain’t no one said this was a decent comedy.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:22 pm to L.A.
Here's what I want to know.
What was the plot?
Boy meets girl. Boy marries girl. The families don't approve.
That's not a plot, it's a setup for a plot. It's a premise. A premise is not a plot. It's Romeo and Juliet (and 10,000 other movie premises) but there really isn't a story there. It's a premise, with a bunch of sitcom skits predicated off of it.
Granted- I couldn't finish it all the way to the end. Maybe the last 20 or so minutes would have changed my mind about it, but I doubt it.
What was the plot?
Boy meets girl. Boy marries girl. The families don't approve.
That's not a plot, it's a setup for a plot. It's a premise. A premise is not a plot. It's Romeo and Juliet (and 10,000 other movie premises) but there really isn't a story there. It's a premise, with a bunch of sitcom skits predicated off of it.
Granted- I couldn't finish it all the way to the end. Maybe the last 20 or so minutes would have changed my mind about it, but I doubt it.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:22 pm to Bham4Tide
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Yeah, I ain’t like, buying this. Ain’t no one said this was a decent comedy.
Literally from this very thread:
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I'm definitely right-leaning, and I watched it. I thought it was a pretty funny movie and laughed out loud in a couple of instances. It wasn't great, but I wasn't expecting that. I also thought the movie made fun of both sides of the spectrum, and pretty evenly at that.
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This is accurate.
From a poster quoting what you quoted from my post.
Not sure why it's hard to buy the movie isn't the next Monty Python but it's decent for those that have watched it.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:22 pm to UGATiger26
Ok take the scene were he walks down the street in summer drinking milk for no reason.
Or when Baxter tells him he ate a cheese wheel.
Or the news crew spontaneously breaks out into song or a large gang fight.
Specifically looking at the gang fight the joke is how fricking insane and unrealistically intense it gets. It’s absurdist comedy.
Or when Baxter tells him he ate a cheese wheel.
Or the news crew spontaneously breaks out into song or a large gang fight.
Specifically looking at the gang fight the joke is how fricking insane and unrealistically intense it gets. It’s absurdist comedy.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
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one of the funniest properties Eddie Murphy has ever made was Coming to America. That was a comedic caricature to perfection.
Murphy was pretty funny in You People as the strict Muslim father disapproving of the white Jewish fiancé. And yes it was a caricature and not at all how anyone (well, probably not anyone) would react in 2022.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:29 pm to SammyTiger
One thing I can say about Jay Ayre is that when he does he "takes", at least they are drive by takes. You and Bronc have this obsessive need to have the last word and argue for the sake of fricking arguing. We get it, you like these types of movies/shows. Bronc wants to frick James Cameron. But every thread is a back and forth with "who's right" with some posters.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:30 pm to AFtigerFan
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I'm definitely right-leaning, and I watched it. I thought it was a pretty funny movie and laughed out loud in a couple of instances. It wasn't great, but I wasn't expecting that. I also thought the movie made fun of both sides of the spectrum, and pretty evenly at that.
I'll give it a watch then. If they are taking shots at both sides and it's kinda even I'm good with it. Just can't stand when it's obvious they are just bashing the right while acting like their shite don't stink.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:31 pm to SammyTiger
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Ok take the scene were he walks down the street in summer drinking milk for no reason.
Or when Baxter tells him he ate a cheese wheel.
Or the news crew spontaneously breaks out into song or a large gang fight.
Specifically looking at the gang fight the joke is how fricking insane and unrealistically intense it gets. It’s absurdist comedy.
Of course there is plenty of absurdity in there for shits and giggles.
My point is that caricature can be handled well or not so well.
Anchorman was an example of it handled well.
Once more, I can't speak to "You People" because I haven't seen it. I'm not agreeing with the critic. I'm only saying that he may have a legitimate criticism of the movie, and that simply saying "but all comedies are unrealistic!" isn't a valid refutation of his critique.
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