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Wonder Woman vs 2016 Ghostbusters
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:17 pm
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 8:47 pm
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:29 pm to hawgfaninc
Yeah, it makes a difference when you write a coherent script, don't butcher a beloved franchise, and don't call all men either idiots, douchebags, or assholes. Ghostbusters message as far as I could tell was simply "frick men".
With Wonder Woman, oh you surrounded her with a good casting of supportive men. You don't make them all look like monstrous dicks. I never felt insulted watching it, while every time a man was on screen in Ghostbusters, they had to directly demean them. It's clear when they were writing the script and the fans weren't happy with the all woman recast, their only thoughts were, "oh we'll show all those basement dwelling assholes! All men are are a bunch of dumb dicks."
With Wonder Woman, oh you surrounded her with a good casting of supportive men. You don't make them all look like monstrous dicks. I never felt insulted watching it, while every time a man was on screen in Ghostbusters, they had to directly demean them. It's clear when they were writing the script and the fans weren't happy with the all woman recast, their only thoughts were, "oh we'll show all those basement dwelling assholes! All men are are a bunch of dumb dicks."
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:14 pm to hawgfaninc
It is sexist still
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:51 pm to DarthRebel
The reason Ghostbusters failed is because it wasn't believable with regards to its fictional circumstances. Hollywood tried to tell us otherwise and by doing so, disregarded what audience had to say. That's why it was so hated. It didn't have anything to do with sexism since a bunch of women hate it also.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:50 am to hawgfaninc
After reading about the Dan Akroyd interview talking about the 2016 movie reshoots and having WW compared to it to prove again that women-led films aren't automatically discounted due to sexism; it's fascinating how that stupid movie's lore lingers.
Frankly I can't wait until an oral history is done for the 2016 Ghostbusters 20 or 30 years from now. After all the producers,cast, crew, writers, Feig move past this, it'll be interesting to see what the hell they were thinking/doing once the trailer got chewed up on YT.
Frankly I can't wait until an oral history is done for the 2016 Ghostbusters 20 or 30 years from now. After all the producers,cast, crew, writers, Feig move past this, it'll be interesting to see what the hell they were thinking/doing once the trailer got chewed up on YT.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:58 am to hawgfaninc
What are you laughing at? Do you think that Facebook post is funny?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:23 am to DarthRebel
Ghostbusters didn't fail because it had female leads. It failed because it was a BAD MOVIE.
Ghostbusters II didn't do amazing with male leads, did it? No, it was a crappy movie and it killed what was going to be a franchise.
Also, it was confusing. It was in the same universe as the original ghostbusters... who all apparently show up, but NOT as them? So a universe where everyone has a twin that lives in the same city???
The whole movie was a mess, and every character was a comedic character. No one was the "Winston". You need at least one "straight man" to acknowledge how absurd everything around you is.
Ghostbusters II didn't do amazing with male leads, did it? No, it was a crappy movie and it killed what was going to be a franchise.
Also, it was confusing. It was in the same universe as the original ghostbusters... who all apparently show up, but NOT as them? So a universe where everyone has a twin that lives in the same city???
The whole movie was a mess, and every character was a comedic character. No one was the "Winston". You need at least one "straight man" to acknowledge how absurd everything around you is.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:47 am to hawgfaninc
Give that 2016 cast and budget to Patty Jenkins and Allan Heinberg, or the Russo brothers, or any number of directors and writers in Hollywood, and you'd get a good movie.
Feig went with the modern comedy concept of throwing a ton of jokes and comedic scenes together and thinking that it's enough to carry a film. That's fine for Neighbors or Mike and Dave Need Wedding Dates. Ghostbusters is a series with an actual concept that people give a shite about. You can't just wing it and point to the pratfalls and dirty jokes and expect people to love it.
Feig went with the modern comedy concept of throwing a ton of jokes and comedic scenes together and thinking that it's enough to carry a film. That's fine for Neighbors or Mike and Dave Need Wedding Dates. Ghostbusters is a series with an actual concept that people give a shite about. You can't just wing it and point to the pratfalls and dirty jokes and expect people to love it.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:54 am to skrayper
quote:Ghostbusters 2 was good. It is just hard to match the success of the first one. It was a creepier and darker movie than the first one.
Ghostbusters II didn't do amazing with male leads, did it? No, it was a crappy movie and it killed what was going to be a franchise.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:47 am to J Murdah
I liked Ghostbusters 2. It didn't kill any franchise because there was never gonna be a franchise. They basically had to trick Bill Murray into doing it. There is no way he would have done a third movie.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:19 am to hawgfaninc
Maybe it's as simple as a movie with a hot chick vs a movie with not so hot chicks. 
Posted on 6/7/17 at 11:13 am to OMLandshark
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With Wonder Woman, oh you surrounded her with a good casting of supportive men. You don't make them all look like monstrous dicks. I never felt insulted watching it, while every time a man was on screen in Ghostbusters, they had to directly demean them. It's clear when they were writing the script and the fans weren't happy with the all woman recast, their only thoughts were, "oh we'll show all those basement dwelling assholes! All men are are a bunch of dumb dicks."
Exactly... there wasn't a single cringe worthy #girlpower moment in WW that was thrown in your face.
Also haven't seen 2016 Ghostbusters and probably never will
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 6/7/17 at 11:17 am to PeteRose
I've not seen the remake. Are the circumstances that much more unbelievable than the original?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 11:26 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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Are the circumstances that much more unbelievable than the original?
The circumstances aren't necessarily, but everything else is. The casting is awful, the script is a total mess, the villain is the worst and most childish in cinematic history, the characters are all terrible, and it's sexist as frick.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 11:48 am to LesMiles BFF
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What are you laughing at? Do you think that Facebook post is funny?
I sure do. The whole "misogyny is why Ghostbusters failed"... That's just stupid on it's face.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:02 pm to hawgfaninc
My son was in the hospital after breaking a bone in his elbow. While waiting on surgery, he turned on the TV. It only got one channel (some issue with their dish) and the new Ghostbusters was the only thing on. Mind you, this is an 11 year old kid, in pain, looking for something to distract him. He watched 5 minutes of it and said, "Nah", and turned it off. That's how bad it was.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 7:17 pm to Master of Sinanju
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Maybe it's as simple as a movie with a hot chick vs a movie with not so hot chicks.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 7:46 pm to hawgfaninc
It wasn't that people don't want a female hero or lead...
The reason the actors and SJWs got upset is because the public was saying...women aren't funny.
Since WW isn't supposed to be a comedy, people aren't turned off by it.
The reason the actors and SJWs got upset is because the public was saying...women aren't funny.
Since WW isn't supposed to be a comedy, people aren't turned off by it.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:54 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The reason the actors and SJWs got upset is because the public was saying...women aren't funny.
Oh bullshite. Literally the same fricking cast was in Bridesmaids and it did fantastic. With the same director at that.
Paul Fieg and co would have you believe that's what people were saying. But they completely ignored the comments while alienating a pretty extensive fan base.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:00 pm to elprez00
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But they completely ignored the comments while alienating a pretty extensive fan base.
Not only alienating them, but giving them an incredibly direct "frick You". Why else was the villain a basement dwelling nerd who hates everyone, everyone hates him, and is a fricking janitor? It's clear they were sitting around the writers room fricking pissed that the fans hated everything they'd been hearing about the film, decided that the actual fans were the problem, and then wrote a villain based around the most pathetic fat nerd stereotype possible.
Who dedicates an entire film to actively pissing off your fanbase? At least Snyder reacted to our criticism very directly, but he just didn't understand why we were pissed off at Man of Steel in the first place, just the most surface level of it.
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