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Why won't movie studios follow the iTunes model for movies?

Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:03 pm
I wanted to watch Unforgiven last night. But of course it's not on netflix instant and brick & mortar stores are all but dead. I would have happily paid a couple bucks for a 24 hour rental but there was no option to do so. So what did I do? I torrented it. I'm sure most people would happily pay for the content but movie studios seem to be stuck in 2002. When will they wake up?
This post was edited on 10/26/12 at 1:04 pm
Posted by Doldil
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:07 pm to
VuDu or Amazon is who I use for 24 hour rentals these days. VuDu is pretty damn good for new stuff and give you options for streaming in SD, HD or 1080p with the pricing being $3.99, $4.99 and $5.99 I think (or maybe everything shifted down $1). They also have a $.99 movie of the day every day.
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:08 pm to
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When will they wake up?


It really is sad that they have actively FOUGHT the future.

They are going to be forced to adapt eventually, but I think their mindset is that they are going to milk their existing business model for as long as they can because it gives them the best profits and maintains the most control for them.

For instance, think of it in the sense of music:

20 years ago (1992), a CD was about $17. It averaged about 13 songs. In one year, $120 dollars bought you 7 CD's, which is about 91 songs.

Fast forward to 2012, a $10 per month subscription to Spotify ($120 for the year) gets you access to nearly 20,000,000 songs, instantly, on a variety of devices (phone, computer, TV, etc.)

I think the film and TV industry really fears a Netflix type streaming service where you pay $10 per month for unlimited access, and that's why they did everything they could to frick Netflix over.

But again, they will be forced to adapt eventually.

In the interim, I strongly encourage piracy to help force their hand.
Posted by elprez00
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:11 pm to
I just want to know why I can put a cd in my computer and rip it to iTunes, but not a dvd.
Posted by boom roasted
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:23 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/26/12 at 1:24 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:27 pm to
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Why won't movie studios follow the iTunes model for movies?


Who says they aren't?

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But of course it's not on netflix instant


I don't think you're very familiar with the iTunes model. iTunes is not an all you can watch for $8 subscription service. Unforgiven is available digitally for purchase or rental. You can buy it from iTunes for $10. You can buy or rent it from Vudu for as little as $3 or as much as $20 depending on SD/HD and rent/buy LINK

If you want more movies on a subscription basis then the cost of NetFlix has to go up, and frankly I don't understand why they haven't gone in that direction. People would pay $30+ a month for NetFlix if they had enough selection.
Posted by TROLA
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:39 pm to
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I'm sure most people would happily pay for the content but movie studios seem to be stuck in 2002


When Steve Jobs said that they called him crazy..

People will pay for the content, it just has to be easily accessible
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:39 pm to
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In the interim, I strongly encourage piracy to help force their hand.


So a business creates a product you want, but they won't sell it to you on YOUR terms, so you say lets steal it and blame them because they won't do what you want. Makes sense.

I don't disagree with you, that it seems like they could make it available for streaming rental for the same price as old VCR rentals, but that they don't is not a justification to steal it, sorry.

ETA: the iTunes model for music is just a new tech version of the old music model of buying singles. Before CD's people often bought single songs on 45's.
This post was edited on 10/26/12 at 1:47 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:42 pm to
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they are going to milk their existing business model for as long as they can because it gives them the best profits and maintains the most control for them.


Shocking, you mean a for profit business prefers a business model that garners them the most profits? WTH are they thinking?

Power to the 99%
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:50 pm to
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So a business creates a product you want, but they won't sell it to you on YOUR terms


Right.

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so you say lets steal it and blame them because they won't do what you want. Makes sense.


Yep.

And I have no problem with that whatsoever.



I have little sympathy for industries that don't understand their market.
Posted by colorchangintiger
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:59 pm to
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the iTunes model for music is just a new tech version of the old music model of buying singles. Before CD's people often bought single songs on 45's.


Not for $0.99 or $1.29 a song and they didn't get to pick and choose exactly what songs they wanted.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 1:59 pm to
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Shocking, you mean a for profit business prefers a business model that garners them the most profits? WTH are they thinking?


There are 2 problems. First, people have no patience, we see where this is headed and wonder why we can't just skip to the end already. Second, it's not an ideal free market. The barriers to entry are so high that it limits competition which puts the sellers at an advantage over the buyers and we're a bunch of spoiled children that don't like losing in America so if you don't give us what we want we'll just negotiate a new lower price. $0, how do you like that MPAA?

I don't condone piracy, but this is the attitude today's consumer has and going to war with your customer is just not good business, especially when they seem more than happy to go to war with you.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:02 pm to
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So a business creates a product you want, but they won't sell it to you on YOUR terms
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Right


so if a store is closed when you want to buy something, is it ok to break in and take it.

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And I have no problem with that whatsoever.


Maybe I'm confussing you with someone else so I apologize if so, but aren't you an anrcho-capitalist? Since when is stealing someone else's property ok? That's a selfish and dangerous mentality.

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I have little sympathy for industries that don't understand their market.


Did it ever occur to you that maybe its YOU that doesn't understand the market? Maybe it's not profitable for them to release the movies the way you want? Typically if there is a better more efficient way of doing business there's a competitor that doing it a certain way. Yet here there is not? Why? Maybe its because they are stuck in their ways or maybe because it's because they can't make enough money to justify the costs. If they can't make a profit, they aren't going to do it and just because some are willing to pay doesn't mean it is profitable.

This post was edited on 10/26/12 at 2:57 pm
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:07 pm to
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It's not Netflix, but it's pretty much what you are asking for.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:16 pm to
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Not for $0.99 or $1.29 a song and they didn't get to pick and choose exactly what songs they wanted.


45's were roughly $1-$2, which adjusted for inflation is much higher. I assume the cost of printing and distributing 45's was much higher and technolgy greatly reduces that cost and makes it possible to buy any songs, not just the ones that were released on 45, but even in the 80's, if a song was still in print on 45, you could order it from some places.

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First, people have no patience, we see where this is headed and wonder why we can't just skip to the end already


I agree that's the big problem. but just because its possible, doesn't mean it's profitable or profitable enough to justify the costs. Usually you'd have a competiting company or even subsititute product, but that's not possible here, it's a unique product. If someone wants to watch Unforgiven, he has to go to the people that made or own that movie. I'd like to see Song of the South again, but Disney will never release it on home video in the US. That does not justify breaking in to their vault.

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I don't condone piracy, but this is the attitude today's consumer has and going to war with your customer is just not good business, especially when they seem more than happy to go to war with you.


I think it's still a relatively small segment of the customer base that is willing to steal. That tech savy customer base is grossly over represented on a forum like this. There are plenty of movies I've wanted to see that are not on Netflix, I don't go steal it though, I just watch something else.
This post was edited on 10/26/12 at 2:19 pm
Posted by Siderophore
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:27 pm to
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I think the film and TV industry really fears a Netflix type streaming service where you pay $10 per month for unlimited access, and that's why they did everything they could to frick Netflix over.


It wasn't so much that, as the fact that once Netflix established the market and pioneered the field, the movies and studios wanted to do streaming themselves, and charge what they wanted for it.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:39 pm to
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I think the film and TV industry really fears a Netflix type streaming service where you pay $10 per month for unlimited access, and that's why they did everything they could to frick Netflix over.

It wasn't so much that, as the fact that once Netflix established the market and pioneered the field, the movies and studios wanted to do streaming themselves, and charge what they wanted for it.


Right, shockingly they want to make money. $10/month is nothing. I don't think I even watch all that much and I'm paying less than $1 per show. That's fine for older shows, but how is that remotely profitable for new content that costs millions or $100's of millions to make in the case of big movies?

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:40 pm to
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It wasn't so much that, as the fact that once Netflix established the market and pioneered the field, the movies and studios wanted to do streaming themselves, and charge what they wanted for it.



That may be the case now, but NetFlix simply blew their chance to make it happen. HBO had said they'd give content to NetFlix if they charged more for it and Starz said they're renewal fell apart because they wouldn't go to a tiered pricing model. NetFlix is hell bent on staying low end and that limits what content you can have.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:43 pm to
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Second, it's not an ideal free market. The barriers to entry are so high that it limits competition which puts the sellers at an advantage over the buyers


This is really a separate issue and i agree. In the case of cable, the gov't has made it difficult for competition. Satelite providers had to fight to get access and then to be allowed to show local stations. That's a problem of cronyism. Still, no one has offered a la carte programing. They all over packages. is that because they can't offer a la carte? Is if because the networks won't agree? Or is it because it would be too expensive?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:45 pm to
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That may be the case now, but NetFlix simply blew their chance to make it happen. HBO had said they'd give content to NetFlix if they charged more for it and Starz said they're renewal fell apart because they wouldn't go to a tiered pricing model. NetFlix is hell bent on staying low end and that limits what content you can have.


Last year when Netflix wanted to raise prices people threw a huge hissy fit. That's why I don't buy (forgive the pun) the notion that people would pay if only they'd make more stuff available and only pirate because the meanies won't sell it to us.
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