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Why was the She-Hulk origin changed? (Long)

Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:17 am
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:17 am
For those who never read the comics, allow me to illuminate you:

1979’s The Savage She-Hulk had Jennifer get caught up in a mob hit put out on her father, a Los Angeles sheriff who had crossed paths with a dangerous crime boss. Jennifer then transforms into the She-Hulk when her cousin Bruce Banner gives her an emergency blood transfusion to save her life.

What was so wrong with this story that it had to be changed?

She-Hulk Writer explains why-

And the reasoning, if she's not lying, is stupid. From the article

quote:

There were a couple of reasons for making the changes," Gao said. "The heads of Marvel specifically didn’t want to do a mob hit. I think it was because it didn't feel like it vibed with the show."


Well, I guess it's not important to respect the source material for something as trivial as the catalyst for character's entire fricking existence...the "vibe" is what matters. And how exactly does this change the vibe of the show? If anything it enhances the development of the character. You can still throw in your feminist talk tracks, but with a well developed hero, you can get away with it without completely alienating half your target audience.

But wait there's more

quote:

The Rick and Morty writer then went on to say that establishing Jennifer's origins from the comics would have taken up too much precious time, especially when the writing team was more interested in exploring how the thirtysomething lawyer would deal with her newfound powers rather than how she obtained them. "You would have to set up a ton of backstory," Gao explained. "You can’t just drop that in. We really wanted to get going, we didn’t want to spend half an hour setting up why this happened. [...] The interesting part for us was watching this woman deal with all this and try to process it."


This entire statement tells me that they (the writers and Marvel) don't give a shite about creating a quality storyline because it's too hard and they're lazy. It also shows a complete lack of respect for the fanbase.

Then there's this:

quote:

Lastly, Gao noted that Bruce willingly giving Jennifer his blood would have not been in line with his character as portrayed in the Marvel Cinematic Universe due to the Avenger viewing his special abilities as a burden rather than a benefit for the majority of his life. "For me, it just didn’t ring true for the Bruce Banner we know,” 



frick right off. The Bruce Banner we know from both the comics and MCU agonizes over the choice of saving Jennifer's life and cursing her or just letting her die.

No, Gao thought it was more important to make sure we knew that Jennifer never need's help from a man, EVER. Showing her being rescued by Bruce would, in Gao's mind, indicate that Jennifer, and therefore all women, are vulnerable and need a man's help.

Ultimately, I think Gao is full of shite.
I don't believe any of the reasons she listed, except for the one about the writers being lazy.

I think her goal was to deliver a message that amounts to Men=Bad, Women=Good; And the decision to change the She-Hulk origin story was a huge mistake made for selfish reasons.

TLDR; Gao's She-Hulk is bad, and she should feel bad.

Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:44 am to
quote:

There were a couple of reasons for making the changes," Gao said. "The heads of Marvel specifically didn’t want to do a mob hit. I think it was because it didn't feel like it vibed with the show."




The emergency blood transfusion is the important part. If they wanted to skip the mob hit the car wreck works just as well.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted by TAMU-93
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:51 am to
This is how I imagine the writers' room:

Writer 1: "Okay, if we're not going with the transfusion, what are we going with?"

Writer 2: "Let's say Jennifer and Bruce are in an accident and Bruce bleeds on Jennifer's open wound."

Writer 1: "What kind of accident?"

Writer 2: "A car accident!"

Writer 1: "But wouldn't Bruce turn into The Hulk if he were in a car accident and, therefore, not bleed?"

Writer 2: "Hmm, good point. Let's say Bruce invented a device that prevents him from turning into The Hulk."

Writer 1: "Okay, okay, that could work. So what causes this car accident?"

Writer 2: "A U.F.O."


Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11510 posts
Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:04 pm to
This show isn't very deep. Seems like something they would have put on ABC family or the Disney channel. I wouldn't read too much into it, they just went for easy.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

The emergency blood transfusion is the important part. If they wanted to skip the mob hit they could have just made it a car wreck or random mugging.


Exactly. Gao's excuse was that the mob hit would have "required too much precious time" and too much backstory.

Ok, forget the mob hit, a random mugging/disgruntled client/even a car accident would work just fine. Problem solved. Gao either was too stupid to think of a way to tweak one aspect of origin story, or it was always her intention to completely change it.

Both are equally unforgivable.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 12:11 pm
Posted by SpqrTiger
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:40 pm to
I think your argument is a problem that’s going to have to look far and wide for people who are angry about it.

I never knew the comic origin of She Hulk. I only saw the show, and the origin story was fine. I bought it. I don’t think there’s anything “missing” from it, or that it is incapable of standing on its own.

What’s the real problem? That it didn’t match the comic? Who cares?

Or that it dismisses masculinity? Yikes. You’re reading too far into this.

Look, I’m even on your side when it comes to Hollywood going overboard with regard to making it look like men are useless or outdated… but in this show’s origin story? I’m not getting that. In fact, I’m getting the opposite. Bruce is trying his best to be a mentor to his younger cousin here. He’s being a responsible male family member. That’s a good thing.
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

The emergency blood transfusion is the important part. If they wanted to skip the mob hit the car wreck works just as well.

This. They could have made it a situation where she is dying and Bruce is given no other choice but to give her a transfusion to save her life, and then use that as a point of conflict between them going forward in the series. Bruce regrets giving her the same burden he has been saddled with, knowing she just wanted a “normal life”, and Jennifer resents him for turning her into a hulk (even though it was to save her life) without her permission. Instead the writers didn’t want to show their perfect female lead in a position of powerlessness, so they did her origin in the dumbest way possible.
Posted by Murray
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 12:52 pm to
You are blessed with a very simple and easy life if something like this makes you highly upset.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

her father, a Los Angeles sheriff who had crossed paths with a dangerous crime boss.
I don’t see Cousin Larry from Perfect Strangers pulling off that role.
Posted by Locoguan0
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Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 1:35 pm to
Honestly, the girl power vibe is very apparent. First, the other lawyer giving her shite, SH saving Bruce instead of the other way around, the creeps at the bar, and Bruce "mansplaining"...
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

Lastly, Gao noted that Bruce willingly giving Jennifer his blood would have not been in line with his character as portrayed in the Marvel Cinematic Universe due to the Avenger viewing his special abilities as a burden rather than a benefit for the majority of his life. "For me, it just didn’t ring true for the Bruce Banner we know,” 


Nonsense.

My hypothesis? The writers whose feminism is dripping off of every word spoke in this show wanted no part of a man saving Jenn. Her powers would have them been completely thanks to Bruce's saving her. Instead, she gets her powers because SHE SAVED HIM and his stupid toxic blood accidentally got into her, so she gets poisoned doing him a a favor.

All that other stuff is cover.
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

This is how I imagine the writers' room: Writer 1: "Okay, if we're not going with the transfusion, what are we going with?" Writer 2: "Let's say Jennifer and Bruce are in an accident and Bruce bleeds on Jennifer's open wound." Writer 1: "What kind of accident?" Writer 2: "A car accident!" Writer 1: "But wouldn't Bruce turn into The Hulk if he were in a car accident and, therefore, not bleed?" Writer 2: "Hmm, good point. Let's say Bruce invented a device that prevents him from turning into The Hulk." Writer 1: "Okay, okay, that could work. So what causes this car accident?"


Yeah I don’t understand Bruce’s motivation to transform back into human form. Why would he heal in human form?

The fact that Marvel Studios can’t make a Hulk film under the Disney banner leaves us with breadcrumbs of a character arc. Which is good in a way…but it’d be nice to see a proper Hulk film.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Honestly, the girl power vibe is very apparent. First, the other lawyer giving her shite, SH saving Bruce instead of the other way around, the creeps at the bar, and Bruce "mansplaining"...


Everyone's favorite drunk Scotsman had a video come out yesterday talking about this show. It's actually not a review per se, but more of a specific critique in terms of writing. Drinker's real name is Will Jordan and he's actually a novelist, so the guy is a writer by trade and it's why he so often focusing on the writing of movies and shows and why that is usually the culprit.

He breaks down the first episode and really gives some in depth explanations as to WHY the show fails like it does and why that can be attributed to writing choices made by the writers of the show.

14 minutes long and worth the listen. For anyone that doesn't care for his normal schtick, there's almost none of that here. It's mostly direct, specific criticism of things they did wrong.

LINK
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

My hypothesis? The writers whose feminism is dripping off of every word spoke in this show wanted no part of a man saving Jenn. Her powers would have them been completely thanks to Bruce's saving her. Instead, she gets her powers because SHE SAVED HIM and his stupid toxic blood accidentally got into her, so she gets poisoned doing him a a favor.


Yeah, there’s probably some truth to that.

All the female heroes are pretty much superior to the male counterparts, save maybe Kate Bishop.

Hope> Scott
Gamora>Star Lord(although this was addressed in GotG 2)
Wanda>Pietro/Vision
Pepper is a better CEO than Tony
Peggy is mentally tougher than Steve
Valkyrie is a better leader and fighter than Thor
Shuri is far smarter and wiser than T’Challa, Bruce and Tony.

I could probably list more.


Posted by LSUFreek
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Member since Jan 2007
14779 posts
Posted on 8/27/22 at 2:40 pm to
"What your OP shows is that you don't understand that while this show is disguised as a superhero entertainment, it is actually a platform for these brave writers to bring awareness of female empowerment and to start important conversations targeted for all males, toxic & non-toxic, to understand how much they directly or indirectly misogynize, oppress, violate, supress, belittle, assault, insult, manslpain, dismiss, discard, negate, use, objectify, demonize, victimize, & even murder, career-minded women and homemakers/single-females who don't know they should be career-minded, independent, perennial victims."

"You know, topics that have never been discussed, written-about, audio-recorded, or filmed in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th wave of feminism," he said in a high-pitched voice as his penis & balls turtled-up into full ascension.
Posted by Jay Are
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 3:17 pm to
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, Gao thought it was more important to make sure we knew that Jennifer never need's help from a man, EVER. Showing her being rescued by Bruce would, in Gao's mind, indicate that Jennifer, and therefore all women, are vulnerable and need a man's help.


Dude. You're fukked. You don't care about this show or character. Stop pretending to be outraged, and please d stop saying such dumb things
Posted by Hayekian serf
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Member since Dec 2020
2568 posts
Posted on 8/27/22 at 3:56 pm to
For some ridiculous reason I gave the show a chance.

Holy crap.

Cringe after cringe.

Awful
This post was edited on 8/28/22 at 7:12 am
Posted by jatilen
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 4:34 pm to
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

Dude. You're fukked. You don't care about this show or character. Stop pretending to be outraged, and please d stop saying such dumb things


"...he said in a high-pitched voice as his penis & balls turtled-up into full ascension."
Posted by PowerTool
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/27/22 at 5:41 pm to
I love how Jay Are never ever says anything of substance about the shows or movies being discussed; he just hovers over this board 24/7 waiting to post some hissing little personal attacks at anyone he thinks isn't woke. What a fig.
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