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re: Why Snape Cannot Be Black
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:38 pm to Corinthians420
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:38 pm to Corinthians420
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It would be weird to make Bruce Wayne black unless it was some alternate universe stuff. It worked for Spiderman
Sort of...?
They didn't make Peter Parker black; Miles Morales took over the mantle of Spider-Man after Peter Parker died in the Ultimate universe (which was executed WAY better in the movie than in the comics).
Having a black Batman following a similar path might work, though one has to remember that Spider-Man is someone who gets their powers and then realizes they can use them for good; Batman's different, so the best way to have a "black Batman" would probably be to start with a black (or other minority, whatever) Robin.
The origins of Spider-Man and Batman (not the tragic portion but rather the source of their abilities) is so night and day that it doesn't work to treat them as interchangeable. Green Lantern (who has minority characters, including the very well known John Stewart) is a better example - a regular person given incredible powers and then using those powers for the greater good.
Also... "black Batman" is basically Black Panther.
Insanely rich.
Incredibly intelligent.
Fights at a comparable level (mostly).
The settings are vastly different, but it's easier to see T'Challa setting up a Wakandan embassy in a Gotham-esque city and fighting crime at night than a more "Spider-Man" type origin for a similar-type character.
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Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:39 pm to skrayper
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you now have a scenario where the bullying will appear to specifically BE racist. The only way for it not is to ALSO race swap at least one of the tormentors for another black person, and even THEN it may still appear that way. You might have to race swap at least two of them.
None of this is true
this is just you being a drama queen.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 4:26 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
I’m late to the post but as a black fan I have my reasons race swapping main characters won’t work. A lot of their background stories suddenly become racist.
Harry- if you race swap Harry then you have to race swap his aunt, uncle, and nephew. Even if Harry is mixed it looks bad that his extended family put the mixed raced kid under the stairs.
Hermione- She’s already referred to as a mud-blood, making her black or mixed, well mud-blood takes on a new meaning. Why risk that?
Ron- made fun of for being poor. If he’s black, that wouldn’t be a good look to have the black wizard family also be poor.
Snape- being black could work but you have to change a lot of his background.
Draco- Could work as a black character
Dumbledore- Could also work
All in all I’d rather see it just stay the way it is but to attract a large audience, some characters will be swapped. Say goodbye to Cho Chang.
Harry- if you race swap Harry then you have to race swap his aunt, uncle, and nephew. Even if Harry is mixed it looks bad that his extended family put the mixed raced kid under the stairs.
Hermione- She’s already referred to as a mud-blood, making her black or mixed, well mud-blood takes on a new meaning. Why risk that?
Ron- made fun of for being poor. If he’s black, that wouldn’t be a good look to have the black wizard family also be poor.
Snape- being black could work but you have to change a lot of his background.
Draco- Could work as a black character
Dumbledore- Could also work
All in all I’d rather see it just stay the way it is but to attract a large audience, some characters will be swapped. Say goodbye to Cho Chang.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 4:57 pm to HuskyPanda
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All in all I’d rather see it just stay the way it is but to attract a large audience, some characters will be swapped. Say goodbye to Cho Chang.
I just dont see why characters need to be swapped to get a larger audience. You are a black fan and you didnt need black main characters to make you a fan. Sometimes just good storytelling is all you need. One of my favorite things to do is go to Universal in Orlando. I see black kids and adults all time walking around park with wizards robes and magic wands. The story was enough for everyone
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:15 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
They should do a full on “Hamilton” remake and have the only white people be the death eaters
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:40 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Personally, I don't care if they swap the race of a character
I’m not a fan of it, in most cases. If a character is described a certain way, then cast an actor who fits that description. It’s really simple. A character’s looks is part of that character. Justifying race swaps by arguing over which of a character’s traits matters is justifying diversity quotas which I have a fundamental problem with.
Race swaps have worked out sometimes. SLJ nailed Nick Fury, for example. But in general, just stay with the source material.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:42 pm to Corinthians420
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I went to a school with mixed races and kids were bullied for all sorts of reasons and it didn't make the bully a racist.
Yeah maybe if they make him super short or fat....MAYBE....but again, youd have to rewrite the character.
I went to public school in Louisiana my whole life. Black dudes get an automatic "get out of being called a nerd or goofy looking free card". It just is what it is.
Things that James Potter will now say to snape:
"Haha hes gotta big nose"
"You are just a shadow"
Something about his hair.
it will be almost impossible for them to have snape be made fun of for his appearance without that appearance being something black.
They gonna give him buck teeth or something?
Im sure this dude is a fine actor. But who the frick is he? lol. Why they frick would you pick an actor that you have to break your back writing the character for.
Id bet the showrunners dont even know about the conversations we are having. They probably have no idea what the source material is.
Instead of Snape being a redemption arc character, it will now be "you fricking prejudice people couldnt see that he was righteous the whole time!"
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:43 pm to biglego
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I’m not a fan of it, in most cases. If a character is described a certain way, then cast an actor who fits that description. It’s really simple. A character’s looks is part of that character. Justifying race swaps by arguing over which of a character’s traits matters is justifying diversity quotas which I have a fundamental problem with.
Race swaps have worked out sometimes. SLJ nailed Nick Fury, for example. But in general, just stay with the source material
Correct.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:46 pm to Freauxzen
SLJ as Nick Fury has 2 things that make it work
1)Its Sam F'n Jackson....hes bigger than the character and a huge draw
2)98% of fans have no idea who Nick Fury even is prior
1)Its Sam F'n Jackson....hes bigger than the character and a huge draw
2)98% of fans have no idea who Nick Fury even is prior
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:09 pm to Hester Carries
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Yeah maybe if they make him super short or fat....MAYBE....but again, youd have to rewrite the character.
I went to public school in Louisiana my whole life. Black dudes get an automatic "get out of being called a nerd or goofy looking free card". It just is what it is.
Things that James Potter will now say to snape:
"Haha hes gotta big nose"
"You are just a shadow"
Something about his hair.
nah just have something happen on the playground and have Snape piss his pants and the other boys make fun of him for that.
That or have them mock him for having a crush on Lily
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:17 pm to Corinthians420
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nah just have something happen on the playground and have Snape piss his pants and the other boys make fun of him for that.
That or have them mock him for having a crush on Lily
so just actively rewrite the source material so we can have a no name black actor play him?
why?
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:39 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:Rowliong is involved in casting decisions
Full on rewrite of the source material.
If she is down with it, I'll give it a shot.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:57 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:02 am to Corinthians420
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Corinthians420
Of course you defend this shite.
You are racist to assume that blacks must hijack white characters to get anybody else interested in them.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:30 am to Corinthians420
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nah just have something happen on the playground and have Snape piss his pants and the other boys make fun of him for that. That or have them mock him for having a crush on Lily
The problem is that Hollywood (etc.) has built a world where it’s not okay for white people to mock black people (the inverse is not true), and if they do, they’re not just a immature bully (James Potter) they are a RACIST, and that’s the absolute worst thing a person can be.
But you can’t have Snape without him being bullied and mocked, and you can’t have the relationship dynamic of the whole group without it. So how is that going to work?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:33 am to RohanGonzales
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You are racist to assume that blacks must hijack white characters to get anybody else interested in them.
good one Changing race is no different than changing age which they already did wit snape.
If you think it makes scenes that werent written as racist become racist thats on you
I read the books and i know James bullying of Snape doesnt have anything to do with his race and this casting doesnt change that
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:57 am to Corinthians420
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I read the books and i know James bullying of Snape doesnt have anything to do with his race
Right. You read the books where both characters are portrayed as white. There would be no racism.
Now fast forward to this show, where some who will not have read the books see a group of white friends picking on a black guy. To suggest that racism wont be brought up amongst potential new fans is incredibly naive and shortsighted.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 11:17 am to Witecoco
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Now fast forward to this show, where some who will not have read the books see a group of white friends picking on a black guy. To suggest that racism wont be brought up amongst potential new fans is incredibly naive and shortsighted
And they'll quickly be corrected by the millions that have read the books or watched the movies?
This is all fake outrage. You dont actually care because you think James will look racist, you just dont like the casting choice.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 11:37 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Snape's entire character arc is dependent on him being ostracized and bullied for his physical appearance as a child and teenager
Reread this several times. Take a 15 second break…..then reread it several more times.
Black…..skin color….. physical appearance……this seems like a very easy thing to do.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 11:51 am to Corinthians420
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And they'll quickly be corrected by the millions that have read the books or watched the movies?
The millions that read the books aren't happy with this... The people that watched the movies aren't going to care because they don't know the source material anyway. All the potter forums are aggravated. Everyone is pissed off. Most of the people that actively do care about the material are tired they can't even criticize this move without being lumped in with woke grifters on youtube.
It's not all fake outrage, people wanted a faithful adaptation and it's getting clear we aren't going to get that. I doubt you even care about the source material. You are just here to argue with the grifter side.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 11:53 am
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