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re: Why piracy is common
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:13 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:13 am to H-Town Tiger
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Its really a terrible argument from someone as intelligent as you.
You are ignoring that there is a cost for them to bring a product to market. If the cost of bringing the product to market exceeds the revenue guess what happens? Sorry, just because a handful of people demand a product, doesn't mean the producers of said prodcut are obliged to offer it to you on your terms only. In the case of indy films, it cost money to operate a movie theater. If your indy film draws 5% of the audience that a mainstream move, it still cost the movie theater the same to operate, woould you be willing to pay 20X's more to see that film than it cost to see The Dark Knight Rising. There has to be sufficent demand for someone to offer a product.
Oh I know. But other than just being morally wrong, like I said I agree with that part, I can't help but think there's at least some small defense there.
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Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
The only times I've ever pirated movies was when I didn't want to pay for them. And lets be honest, when do you ever want to "pay" for something? I honestly haven't downloaded anything in months. I've grown more patient to wait for availability, plus there is always something else I can watch until it is available.
However, I make use of Netflix, Amazon Prime Instant Video, and Redbox when available.
My next moral dilemma...if you rent a movie from Redbox/Netflix and end up not watching it, is it wrong to copy it to your PC and watch it later?
However, I make use of Netflix, Amazon Prime Instant Video, and Redbox when available.
My next moral dilemma...if you rent a movie from Redbox/Netflix and end up not watching it, is it wrong to copy it to your PC and watch it later?
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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patience is what is needed.
perhaps that's true.
but i lose patience when the media conglomerates lobby congress to create draconian laws that will negatively impact the internet in order to protect their outdated business model.
yes, patience is needed....FROM BOTH SIDES.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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well your argument only works up to the theater. beyond the theater, it's not the same choices or financial impact
and you can find most anything on the internet once it's released in secondary media. you just have to wait for it to be commercially available. now, if you have the opportunity to pirate something that is no longer in the "stream of commerce" i see nothing wrong with this.
Agreed.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:16 am to SaintEB
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if you rent a movie from Redbox/Netflix and end up not watching it, is it wrong to copy it to your PC and watch it later?
ah, the old "check out 10 CDs from the library...and then do it again the next day" move
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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ah, the old "check out 10 CDs from the library...and then do it again the next day" move
I've actually never done this. What is this about?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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this will come
patience is what is needed. that seems to be the recurring theme that i see in these discussions (over movie/tv content. not music)
Again, completely agree.
The problem is that pirating is so easy to do now, the consumers don't need patience. SO that should tell content providers something. Protecting old business models isn't going to work.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
I copy every single dvd I get from netflix. I don't feel bad about it at all. I usually copy and mail back the same day so I have quite a few I haven't even watched yet
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:20 am to WikiTiger
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but i lose patience when the media conglomerates lobby congress to create draconian laws that will negatively impact the internet in order to protect their outdated business model.
i agree but that was dealt with in the same way the markets shift: by big groups of people bitching
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yes, patience is needed....FROM BOTH SIDES.
oh i agree. i'm not saying the movie studios and networks are without fault, here
it just takes time to completely shift an industry that has operated in a way for decades
i mean honestly, the networks HAVE made major progress in availability of shows. look at HBOGO. sure this is for HBO subscribers only, but it's kind of a big deal, to me. you get basically a portable version of the HBO catalog available on demand
you can watch a lot of network shows online for free (although they are not left up for long)
the networks ARE bending a bit. the success of netflix made many of them realize they can offer similar packages. while this sucks for netflix (as the price will rise or the networks/studios will just do their own streaming service), it is the direction you're discussin
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:20 am to SW2SCLA
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I copy every single dvd I get from netflix. I don't feel bad about it at all. I usually copy and mail back the same day so I have quite a few I haven't even watched yet
I used to do this, but I got bored doing it. I only have streaming now. My daughter knows how to put on Caliou and Dora.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:21 am to SaintEB
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I've actually never done this. What is this about?
pretty self explanatory
11-12 years ago when CD rippers were really taking hold, when napster was still in its infancy (may not have existed) and cable internet wasn't the standard, you could get a shite ton of "free" music by going to the library and checking out CDs...ripping them onto your computer...then going to get more
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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i agree but that was dealt with in the same way the markets shift: by big groups of people bitching
and yet these frickers have just changed it up and rebranded it and are trying again: CISPA
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:24 am to SaintEB
It's a very good way to get tv series. Most of the movies I've copied are classics I've a wanted to see.for a long time or documentaries.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
I honestly didn't know you could "check out" CDs from a library. I seems like they'd be replacing alot of CDs and often.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:26 am to SaintEB
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I honestly didn't know you could "check out" CDs from a library.
you live under a rock?
they have DVD's too.
can't believe you never rented anything like that from the li-berry
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:30 am to WikiTiger
shite they had CDs when i was a kiddo 
now most were shitty old people music then, but still
now most were shitty old people music then, but still
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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patience is what is needed.
More than patience is needed. A combination of a powerful government lobby and a defacto monopoly on the talent/distribution means that they are not subjected to normal market forces. Under normal market conditions start ups like MP3.com would have eaten the older music industry dinosaurs' lunch in the 00's and created a new group of digital music companies focused on current consumer demand. That didn't happen and it took a consumer revolt and an entire generation of music pirates for the Music industry to realize it needed to meet consumer demand for long term viability.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:32 am to WikiTiger
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you live under a rock?
No...just never step foot in a library. That's probably just as bad.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:34 am to rondo
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I mean ...I want it now so who says they should stop me?
I don't like to be told no or to have be patient.
Exactly. Worst part is, there is a way to see it now, it just doesn't fit in with the personal wants of the greedy pirates who think they should be dictating how hard work actors and producers want to deliver their product.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 9:39 am to TigerinATL
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and a defacto monopoly on the talent/distribution
which party has this de facto monopoly?
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they are not subjected to normal market forces.
how? studios (both tv and movie) go under all the time. they take serious hits all the time or get flush with surprise hits
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That didn't happen and it took a consumer revolt and an entire generation of music pirates for the Music industry to realize it needed to meet consumer demand for long term viability.
it may have been piracy, or it may have been download speeds catching up to demand and a service like itunes coming along to deliver secure downloads AND royalties. i'm sure it was a combination of both
just because there is technology and a market available for a niche market to pirate doesn't mean that there is technology and a market for making money with the mass population (which is, to be fair, where these companies REALLY make their money)
i think there is a lot of perception bias by people in these discussions. sure, we're all relatively young and technologically savvy. we know how to download this shite and get it on our tvs in a reasonable way. the vast majority of people (the "everybody loves raymond" crowd) doesn't have these things, for the most part
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