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re: Why Hollywood is FAILING - The Devil's in The DEI

Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:33 pm to
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:33 pm to
Posted by ScottFowler
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:34 pm to
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Today's writers are agenda driven egomaniacal hacks who don't care about the source material.


The critics as well.

And damn-near any other profession that requires a college degree.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:41 pm to
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The critics as well.



The shill critics who write for publications, many which are owned by the same companies, with vested interest in the success of the movie they review...

Again, THIS is why I rely so much on a variety of independent YT channels, from varied backgrounds and virtually all working on their own or friendly colabs with each other. Some have working experience and knowledge of the film industry, others not so much. Some are independent film makers and enthusiasts, and have been doing this stuff for decades. Long before YouTube was even a thing.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:47 pm to


I'm not here to be liked. I'm just here to crush your dreams and tell the truth.


"You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something sometime in your life" - Winston Churchill.

Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:06 pm to
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The shill critics who write for publications, many which are owned by the same companies, with vested interest in the success of the movie they review...

Translation anyone that disagrees with me is a shill, please ignore all the bad reviews for movies like Eternals and Ant-Man 3 among other MCU films
Posted by Jay Are
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:01 pm to
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Why? Seriously, why would I take the time to watch crap I hate when I could instead put time and resources into stuff I really like?


The MCU is trash. The Marvels was a disaster. Even the actors are coming out after worst box office of all recent Marvel movies.


Just putting a weird thought out there? What if there were other movies that existed?

Would you feel forced to watch all these content creators if Hollywood made more than just the two franchises you seem to dislike?

Now, I know, obviously, that there are no other movies that get made, nor have there ever been, but I am curious about this totally unrealistic thought experiment.
Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:14 pm to
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Don't blame the messenger, it's really that bad, and worse.


You might have heard the saying "I disagree with what you are saying, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it."

In your case, I basically agree with what you are saying, but still wish you'd shut the frick up about it.

The average parent cares less about their child than you do about youtubers yapping about wokeness in comic book movies.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:02 pm to
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The average parent cares less about their child than you do about youtubers yapping about wokeness in comic book movies.


Probably not a good thing for parents then.

It’s not just comic book movies though.

The woke mind virus isn’t just putting chicks in projects & making them lame & gay. This crap is costing people their jobs, careers & spilling out into rest of society.

Starting to see this pronoun nonsense show up more and more. For me, it’s nothing more than an annoying fad, but for those who may have to face the intimidations of accepting it, and may not be so trivial.
Posted by JW
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:04 pm to
Hollywood is not "failing" ...

the way people consume content is constantly evolving and the traditional studios are trying to figure out what to do about it. One issue though is expensive production costs in the states .... projects are shifting overseas more and more. Especially to London.

Amazon spent nearly 19 billion on production/content in 2023. Plenty of money and jobs to go around and that's just one studio.

Posted by JW
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:19 pm to
And i cannot speak to the writing or perceived "wokeness" ... but i personally have never encountered any diversity mandates or requirements. The business is naturally evolving and opening up more and more for all backgrounds.

When I hire a technical position, I of course look for experience and skill first. Sometimes, I make a hire influenced by other factors.

On "The Sympathizer" for instance, I hired a Korean assistant to help us with Park Chan Wook ... But she also had experience and the right attitude.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 10:22 pm
Posted by Hookah
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:09 pm to
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Amazon spent nearly 19 billion on production/content in 2023. Plenty of money and jobs to go around and that's just one studio.


And what was their ROI?
Posted by JW
Los Angeles
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:17 pm to
Their concern … I was personally commenting on overall robust production

My checks continue to clear either way

Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:00 am to
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Amazon spent nearly 19 billion on production/content in 2023. Plenty of money and jobs to go around and that's just one studio.



Not exactly.

Amazon cuts hundreds of jobs in Prime Video and MGM Studios: Read the memo to employees
PUBLISHED WED, JAN 10 202410:00 AM EST

CNBC link

And, as you say, that's just ONE studio's job cuts. See video speaking about this very issue in the OP.

Covid delays then followed by untimely writers and actors guild strikes didn't help. Low viewership & dropping subscription rates can end only one way. Cost cutting moves that reduce employee overhead and trimming content made for more profitable ventures.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 12:01 am
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 1:33 am to
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it'll always fall flat because you're not here in good faith. I'm relaying information about those who are IN THE INDUSTRY, and you keep yapping about 'original thought' as if MY views have any sway about what's happening.

Remember when you told those of us who had seen and enjoyed Indiana Jones that we were wrong and the movie sucked, despite you having never seen it?

lol at this “good faith” bullshite, you hypocritical loser.
Posted by JW
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2004
5252 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 5:35 am to
I'm on the production side of things, so big studios cutting fat in the offices sucks for them but was probably needed anyway.

My bigger point is Hollywood is adapting and taking some lumps in some sectors I'm sure. Amazon reported a 30B profit last year? I don't think they are necessarily worried about their immediate ROI on production. Long game for them and Apple. So there are plenty of opportunities for people that work in Hollywood and the money is flowing.

I'm on project that just bought out a Four Seasons for two months as an example. It's not all doom and gloom for the business. Guy Ritchie is shooting a 150M project not that far from me in BKK. Movies and TV productions are picking back up everywhere, including a little in Louisiana. They need content, you need content, people around the world want content. The business is not perfect, but failing is typical TD hyperbole.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 5:41 am
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:00 am to
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Now, I know, obviously, that there are no other movies that get made, nor have there ever been, but I am curious about this totally unrealistic thought experiment.


I guess a person without original thoughts cannot participate in your experiment. Sad.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:47 am to
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Remember when you told those of us who had seen and enjoyed Indiana Jones that we were wrong and the movie sucked, despite you having never seen it?

lol at this “good faith” bullshite, you hypocritical loser.


The story was garbage. There was never a scenario where the antagonist could have achieved what they sought out to do. That’s what made it a bad movie. Flopping at the box office proves my point.

They made Indy out to be a hapless broken old man, only to be humiliated, beaten down then saved by an insufferable Mary Sue character. One who was forced into the movie like a square peg shoved into a round hole.

I’m not gonna sit for 3 hours in the theater watching that garbage and come out having enjoying what I had just seen.

In contrast , many here are saying that they won’t watch a YouTube video not because they disagreed with the basic content , but they just don’t like the guy talking about it.

(more accurately, they just don’t like being reminded he’s right, and they’re wrong.)
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:09 am to
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Translation anyone that disagrees with me is a shill, please ignore all the bad reviews for movies like Eternals and Ant-Man 3 among other MCU films


A shill is one whose livelihood relies on them currying favor and getting access from major studios. This is often achieved by writing flowery reviews and pumping up studio projects, putting the very best possible spin on everything that comes out, with the intent of selling tickets and help making as much money as possible. Regardless of whether a project is good or not.

By all means, disagree with my views on a movie, or show, but at least man up and explain WHY it was good. Don't just seal clap for the next Disney studio thing because you're told to.
Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:14 am to
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the way people consume content is constantly evolving and the traditional studios are trying to figure out what to do about it. One issue though is expensive production costs in the states .... projects are shifting overseas more and more. Especially to London.

Amazon spent nearly 19 billion on production/content in 2023. Plenty of money and jobs to go around and that's just one studio.



Like any other industry that starts outsourcing, the future isn't bright for people in America who work in that industry. Ditto for an industry where AI is going to be able to do lots of the creative work in a year or two, if not now.

The corporations that own everything will continue to make money, but they won't indulge the spoiled and woke talent in California much longer, because they don't have to, and because people in China have different tastes.

But maybe working in an industry that's rapidly getting Amazon-ed is going to be a good thing.
Posted by witty alias
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:53 am to
This commercial thing is such tired bullshite.
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