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re: Why did everyone hate Star Wars so much?
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:49 pm to diddlydawg7
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:49 pm to diddlydawg7
Snoke waste
Unless he resurrects in 9
Unless he resurrects in 9
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:05 pm to StringedInstruments
There was a voting option on it, and the most voted one was 8/10.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:02 pm to nerd guy
quote:From what I remember she was quite a ways down the list of people in line of succession and got a lot of her notoriety from one battle.
This arrogant count didn't trust anyone that served under her and treated them like shite. She would have been a terrible leader.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:52 pm to diddlydawg7
How do you post this . . . .
and then not even recognize your own glaring issues?
Which was utterly ridiculous. Because we have no explanation as how Snoke allows this (in your own words)
A cool gimmick doesn't explain away changing the nature of a character after 30 freaking years. Why did JJ show the effort that Luke when through to make a map to find him, if he had no intention of going to help when called on? Its like TFA never happened, when you watch TLJ
why even introduce a character that someone who absolutely loved the story cant remember the name of?
And yet you're calling out others for what they thought it should have been?
Which is worse than anything JarJar related
a huge wasted part of the movie, doncha think?
It's his ONE movie. Rian doesn't get another shot at this. Even JJ thought he could move Leia's story along all 3 movies, guess what?
You simply don't raise questions about Snoke, Reys heritage, her familiarity of the Falcon, Kylos obsession of Vader, Leia leading the resistance only to act like "nuh unh, we never said that" in the next installment
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Everyone is going on about how Rian Johnson screwed up this,
and then not even recognize your own glaring issues?
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Rian Johnson didn’t explain Snoke,
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saw Kylo Ren kill Snoke
Which was utterly ridiculous. Because we have no explanation as how Snoke allows this (in your own words)
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where it did not do that for Luke.
A cool gimmick doesn't explain away changing the nature of a character after 30 freaking years. Why did JJ show the effort that Luke when through to make a map to find him, if he had no intention of going to help when called on? Its like TFA never happened, when you watch TLJ
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the purple haired lady I forgot the name of
why even introduce a character that someone who absolutely loved the story cant remember the name of?
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I thought that it was going to be basically a copy of Return of the Jedi
And yet you're calling out others for what they thought it should have been?
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The one thing I didn’t like was Leia coming back to life and flying.
Which is worse than anything JarJar related
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I also could have done without the Finn side mission.
a huge wasted part of the movie, doncha think?
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He doesn’t have to explain everything in one movie.
It's his ONE movie. Rian doesn't get another shot at this. Even JJ thought he could move Leia's story along all 3 movies, guess what?
You simply don't raise questions about Snoke, Reys heritage, her familiarity of the Falcon, Kylos obsession of Vader, Leia leading the resistance only to act like "nuh unh, we never said that" in the next installment
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:09 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Episodes 1-9 are SUPPOSED to be the Skywalker saga. That’s been screwed with to such an extent, including Carrie’s death, that there is basically nothing that can be done to right the ship.
Luke should not have died. Disney already stated Leia isn’t coming back.
If you want to explore other stories in this galaxy, great. I’m all for it, but Episodes VII-IX were not the movies to do that in.
Luke should not have died. Disney already stated Leia isn’t coming back.
If you want to explore other stories in this galaxy, great. I’m all for it, but Episodes VII-IX were not the movies to do that in.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:26 pm to diddlydawg7
Quite honestly, I enjoyed the hell out of it. It’s fun to poke at the faults and question some things, but overall I was highly entertained. I love Star Wars but I don’t take it as seriously as some here.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:27 pm to biglego
You don’t take it seriously Disney’s attempt to radically shift social dynamics in this nation in a negative way?
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:30 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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Luke should not have died.
I thought it was incredibly approriate and I enjoyed him going out like that.
Hate on haters. Hate on.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:33 pm to BluegrassBelle
Let me ask you this, first setting it up: remember when Kylo Ren stopped the shot mid air? Same principle.
What if when all the AT-ATs fire on Luke, he blocks them, and when they stop firing he redirects them, defeating Kylo’s army that simply? Wouldn’t that have been better? He could go down to Kylo personally at that point.
What if when all the AT-ATs fire on Luke, he blocks them, and when they stop firing he redirects them, defeating Kylo’s army that simply? Wouldn’t that have been better? He could go down to Kylo personally at that point.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:43 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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Episodes 1-9 are SUPPOSED to be the Skywalker saga. That’s been screwed with to such an extent, including Carrie’s death, that there is basically nothing that can be done to right the ship.
It's like Ben Solo doesn't exist
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:58 pm to Antonio Moss
He is not redeemable, and there isn’t another Skywalker to balance his evil. You don’t have a six-movie arc and then shite on the family it is about in the end over three movies.
Admittedly, I am a fan of the original EU. I did not expect these films to be exactly the same, but what they have done to this point totally cheapens what happened in 1-6.
Admittedly, I am a fan of the original EU. I did not expect these films to be exactly the same, but what they have done to this point totally cheapens what happened in 1-6.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:02 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:What was his cause of death?
I thought it was incredibly approriate and I enjoyed him going out like that.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:03 pm to AlxTgr
Bad screenwriting
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:08 pm to Antonio Moss
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It's like Ben Solo doesn't exist
Rey is the hero now
And if she is a Skywalker, then we've been without the ability to feed off that energy for 2 movies now
We only went one movie with not knowing Vader was a Skywalker, and look at how cherished that story has become. Her becoming a Skywalker wont ever fix the damage done to Luke wimping out, and Leia becoming Mary frickin' Poppins
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:18 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:The overwhelming Skywalker/Jedi focus was one of the turnoffs of the prequels for me, I wanted expansion of the marvelous galaxy. Especially when it seemed to be at it's pinnacle. But we only saw Coruscant, Naboo, and a bunch of nearly frontier/wilderness type planets.
I don't want Han, Leia or Luke to be the heroes anymore. Hell, I was happy when Leia got sucked out of the ship. I want to move on from those characters and develop new characters. We're stuck in this Skywalker storyline and we're not going anywhere. Just spinning our wheels in the mud. Those characters not being the heroes has nothing to do with my dislike of the movie.
Now, for the concept of sequels, yes, I wanted the same heroes. But we're about 30 yrs too late, and/or a series of casting decisions.
And I'll float this out there, too: I'm no longer interested in the in-between stories of our heroes. I know Luke, Han, Chewie and Leia all survive until TFA, so giving me Luke 10 yrs post ROTJ has no drama. He will live. They will survive any movie you put them in, because we've already got the timeline beyond showing they do.
That's one of the issues I had with the prequels; we knew Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin would live, we knew Palpatine would take over, and we knew anyone else introduced was most likely toast, since they didn't show up in the OT.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:25 pm to diddlydawg7
As someone who was never very impressed with the entire Star Wars epoch (although The Empire Strikes Back was excellent), I somewhat excitedly accompanied my son to The Last Jedi today. Kind of looking forward to it, The Force Awakens was fairly entertaining so let's give this one a go. Good grief, just an awful movie. Pacing, characters (Finn and Rose are horrible), humor? Interminable, kept glancing at my watch wondering how much longer this was going to drag on. What were the critics watching to warrant all the praise it is receiving? Rey and Kylo Ren are very interesting characters, but the rest was pretty much drek. Really a bad movie. Now, get off my lawn.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:32 pm to Scoob
That’s great and all, but then don’t have Laura Dern showing up looking like a reject from The Hunger Games to take over when she wasn’t even in TFA. Hell, what room was she hiding in for the first half of TLJ before Poe had to be taken down a few pegs?
I get that we don’t need filler now, and that is not what I needed either. But I didn’t need to see an estranged Han and Leia, Luke pussy out for 30 years like Yoda did, and for the galaxy to fall right back into turmoil after all of the sacrifices that were made to save it.
Again, these last two films have completely crapped on the Skywalker saga to give rise to new heroes who have nowhere to go except win or lose. There isn’t going to be a peace reached with Kylo, and I don’t give a crap where Finn and Rose end up.
These three films were not the films to use leave the Skywalker name in darkness.
I get that we don’t need filler now, and that is not what I needed either. But I didn’t need to see an estranged Han and Leia, Luke pussy out for 30 years like Yoda did, and for the galaxy to fall right back into turmoil after all of the sacrifices that were made to save it.
Again, these last two films have completely crapped on the Skywalker saga to give rise to new heroes who have nowhere to go except win or lose. There isn’t going to be a peace reached with Kylo, and I don’t give a crap where Finn and Rose end up.
These three films were not the films to use leave the Skywalker name in darkness.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:45 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:agreed.
Bad screenwriting
Everything else aside, Carrie Fisher is dead. And Disney apparently says they won't CGI Leia.
So, the movie hadn't been released. Edit your ending, and send Leia off. A few simple changes of clips could do that... you could have shown that Leia was the one staying behind on the ship, and let her take out Snoke's flagship.
Leave her dead from the blast that put her in space.
Yes, both those options would prevent the last goodbye on Crait from Luke. But you have Hamill still around, you could shoot lines with him and edit it into some of Leia's existing ones, and remake some scenes.
For example, you get rid of the Leia/Poe conflict early on, and have a shot of Luke and Leia on the bridge alone. Luke says "no, don't do this", and you can use the audio of Leia saying a few things in return... like her comments to Poe about doing the big splashy thing but not knowing what it takes to be a leader. There might have been other takes, you find one where she says it with less venom, and play it as a response to Luke. Same goes for her words to Purple Haze, about this going on and being tired (or something). Share that with Luke instead.
Luke, then, after seeing his sister sacrifice all to save the Resistance, returns as the Last Jedi, instead of the Artoo scenes.
You could leave his arrival as it was, or you could have him look down at the submerged X-Wing after force-appearing to Leia... and the X-Wing clears out the Tie Fighters alongside the Falcon. He and Rey together clear the exit before the showdown, he enters the base and walks through, winks at Threepio, and ADIOS.
That would take relatively little altering of the plot, and the other footage, and would have been a far more effective way for both to go out.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:46 pm to Scoob
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I'm no longer interested in the in-between stories of our heroes. I know Luke, Han, Chewie and Leia all survive until TFA, so giving me Luke 10 yrs post ROTJ has no drama. He will live. They will survive any movie you put them in, because we've already got the timeline beyond showing they do.
That's one of the issues I had with the prequels; we knew Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin would live, we knew Palpatine would take over, and we knew anyone else introduced was most likely toast, since they didn't show up in the O
That’s sort of an issue with any prequel. But I agree somewhat, I’m not interested in a Han Solo movie. I would’ve been interested in a Luke movie but not really now, since we already have a backstory. But it would’ve been cool to see a Luke adventure post-ROTJ, when he was young and adventurous and at the height of his powers. We never really got that.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:50 pm to Lacour
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You don’t take it seriously Disney’s attempt to radically shift social dynamics in this nation in a negative way?
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