re: Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?

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SpqrTiger

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damn...

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Uh that was like 50 or 60 years ago in this universe. And a completely different regime. Clones were being phased out even in the OT era.

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They don't have to be phased out. But they are. Why?

Phased out in the OT? Proof, please.

In the OT, all the Stormtroopers are the same height and build, have the same voice and the same generic number/names. "Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?" implies that they are all THE SAME. We never see one without a helmet. We never see one with a proper name. We never see anything that indicates that they AREN'T the same clones we saw in the prequels. In fact, the evidence on-screen suggests they ARE.

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you don't know what you're talking about

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No. You don't know what you are talking about.

Answer the real question about my post, instead of focusing on minutiae. If the studio was serious about providing a good role for a black man that "fits" the universe, then why isn't Poe black? Why doesn't the black guy get to be the "most daring pilot in the Resistance," who has the universal respect of every one in the room... who inspires his comrades and leads them into battle, courageously... who is unparalleled in his profession?

Why re-write canon to fit in a black character who runs away, needs rescuing from whitie (TWICE), can't figure out how to fly a spaceship (when apparently everyone else in the universe does - even the white chick from hicksville AND the walking carpet who speaks in grunts), gets his arse whipped in not one, but TWO different hand-to-hand fights, attempts to leave the woman who assumed he was her protector (while lying to her the whole time), and held a job, not as an important mid-level officer or mechanic or something... but as a GARBAGE MAN for the First Order? You don't see how any of that is stereotypical for a black male character in movies? Why does Finn have to be the bungling black man? That's not how diversity should work. And I'm not even the one calling for it. I couldn't give two shits about diversity. I'm just calling out the studio for being hypocritical.

And don't get me started on Captain Phasma, who is a woman... also canon-breaking for Stormtroopers, and is so unimportant to the film that she has (a) almost NO screen time and (b) doesn't even get to show her face in the movie, even when captured. Nice way to treat Gwendolyn Christie, a good actor.

I fricking LOVE Star Wars. I was there in 1977. I have serious Star Wars cred, man. I liked this movie as well. But an earlier poster asked me to clarify why I thought the studio was forcing diversity into the film. So that's what I did, with plenty of evidence.

If you can't see that evidence, then I don't know what to tell you. Open your eyes, man.

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I honestly had no clue people were upset with him being black. It never crossed my mind.

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congrats on not being a lunatic right wing conspiracy theorist.

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We know from previously established canon that Stormtroopers are clones.

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This is not true and has never been true.

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This is not true and has never been true.

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yeah what he meant to say is that the original iteration of stormtroopers, about 20 years before the Battle of Yavin, were made up of remnants of the army of the republic, which were clones.

The force awakens takes place about 35 years after the battle of yavin, so you're looking at a difference of about 55 years. With clone troopers that age at twice the normal human rate as it is.

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Then you should know Palpatine started phasing out the clones before his death in ROTJ.

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You should clarify that you are using events not from the films, which do not address this issue at all, but from associated media (books), which the vast majority of Star Wars fans have not read.

We're talking about the movies, and the image put forth by the movies. Which is why I'm using my evidence from the movies.

also what I'm referencing WAS canon up until Disney bought out Lucas and retconed everything post ROTJ. In fact this is one of the elements they chose NOT to retcon. So to say they changed established canon is simply not accurate in this instance.

As you can imagine there are tons of web sites discussing the question about the differences and similarities between Clonetroopers and Stormtroopers.

Heck, you can google Clonetrooper v. Stormtrooper and get all kinds of info. Here is one that addresses the question pretty directly: What Evidence Is There that Stormtroopers Are Not All Still Clones?

Cannon v. non cannon and various levels of cannon can be debated. But it seems pretty clear that these discussions rebut the position that the change away from clones was done to piss you off by allowing for a black stormtrooper.

The gist of most of the articles seems to be that they moved away from clones (though there are likely still clones left in the ranks) primarily because of problems due to accelerated aging though I think other things like batches of clones being altered to be loyal to someone other than the emperor/empire may have also come into play.

It also seems like they first moved to cloning from more templates than just Jango Fett and then went to volunteers and to conscripts.

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Cannon v. non cannon and various levels of cannon can be debated

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It's canon.

me?