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Who is at fault for the GOT disaster finish?
Posted on 5/28/19 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 5/28/19 at 11:44 pm
HBO, D&D or GRRM?
Maybe even the cast?
I’ve missed all the discussions because I have been busy but I did search somewhat. I’m sure this question has fricked that dead horse up over and over.
My opinion is too long so I had to delete why but it’s pretty much all of the top 3, IMO, until we get more info leaked. I also don’t know what was promised but seems the show should have not gone on without GRRM finished or letting him do an alternative ending bc you know he would have stayed true to the history, lore and facts of the books even if his books will be different.
I really hate bitching about this but I had to vent. I was way too invested in that show and the ending ruined my favorite show of all time. A shallow script for a show that was special for the writing. I’m so confused in what the decision makers were thinking.
Maybe even the cast?
I’ve missed all the discussions because I have been busy but I did search somewhat. I’m sure this question has fricked that dead horse up over and over.
My opinion is too long so I had to delete why but it’s pretty much all of the top 3, IMO, until we get more info leaked. I also don’t know what was promised but seems the show should have not gone on without GRRM finished or letting him do an alternative ending bc you know he would have stayed true to the history, lore and facts of the books even if his books will be different.
I really hate bitching about this but I had to vent. I was way too invested in that show and the ending ruined my favorite show of all time. A shallow script for a show that was special for the writing. I’m so confused in what the decision makers were thinking.
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 11:52 pm to Soup Sammich
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Who is at fault for the GOT disaster finish?
The fans are to blame for expecting an unfinished book series to get a satisfying conclusion.
GRRM is a hack. A huckster. A flim-flam man.
He had no idea how to finish the series so he handed it off to D&D like a hot potato. Then they phoned it in as quickly as possible to get started on Star Wars.
Posted on 5/28/19 at 11:55 pm to Soup Sammich
DnD.
No reason for them to condense the last 2 seasons. HBO was willing to do more episodes. They blew most of their HBO budget on a very underwhelming imo long night battle.
You just can't change your series villain 4 times in 4 episodes and expect the audience to care without good buildup.
No reason for them to condense the last 2 seasons. HBO was willing to do more episodes. They blew most of their HBO budget on a very underwhelming imo long night battle.
You just can't change your series villain 4 times in 4 episodes and expect the audience to care without good buildup.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:02 am to Soup Sammich
quote:All 3?
HBO, D&D or GRRM?
The weird thing to me is that they set an end date with so much story left to tell. Most shows set an end date so that they don't have to keep coming up with new plots, mythology, w/e..
GOT did the opposite when they set an end date. They still had a treasure trove of things they could have done but instead they decided to shorten the last two seasons and work backwards to make sure all the big plot points were included. It's really poor planning on everyone involved.
I've said it 100 times now but the last two seasons (especially 8) just felt like reading the wikipedia plot summary of two seasons. All the plot points with no context.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:02 am to Soup Sammich
All involved with the writing are at fault.
GRRM for being lazy and not finishing what he started
I can forgive D and D for struggling once the ran out of source material. But it was a really stupid move to rush the last 2 seasons and condense then into 13 total episodes. That is where mot of the problems arose.
And I blame HBO for not really pushing harder to make them extend the last 2 seasons or hire writers who would.
GRRM for being lazy and not finishing what he started
I can forgive D and D for struggling once the ran out of source material. But it was a really stupid move to rush the last 2 seasons and condense then into 13 total episodes. That is where mot of the problems arose.
And I blame HBO for not really pushing harder to make them extend the last 2 seasons or hire writers who would.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:24 am to Soup Sammich
10% Martin for not doing at least one book in that time
10% HBO for not taking the reins, more seasons
100% D&D for rushing it and fricking up the pay off
10% HBO for not taking the reins, more seasons
100% D&D for rushing it and fricking up the pay off
Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:06 am to Soup Sammich
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HBO, D&D or GRRM?
Which one of those kind of forgot?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:08 am to cattus
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10% HBO for not taking the reins, more seasons
Look up the interviews they had with HBO this year. They announced that HBO was willing to pay for 2 more seasons at 10 episodes each.
HBO responded for more episodes
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To their credit, they [HBO] put their money where their mouths are — literally stuffed their mouth full of million-dollar bills which don’t exist anymore," he joked. "They said, 'We’ll give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, and if what it needs to be is a summer tentpole-size spectacle in places, then that’s what it will be.'”
Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:01 am to volod
HBO wanted the rewatch factor.
Like when the censored/edited version of the Sopranos was licensed for a regular network, and a lot of conservative people watched and became fans.
Like when the censored/edited version of the Sopranos was licensed for a regular network, and a lot of conservative people watched and became fans.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:24 am to Soup Sammich
It’s GRRM
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:38 am to Soup Sammich
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:41 am to Soup Sammich
The fault lies solely with D&D. HBO was willing to give them a blank check for three more 10-episode seasons. GRRM was sitting there telling both of them that they'll probably need 3-5 more seasons to complete the story and do it justice. But D&D shrugged both of them off and said they could satisfyingly complete the story of Game of Thrones in 13 episodes.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:49 am to Soup Sammich
D & D demonstrated they had a deft hand in converting and condensing GRRM's copious material to television/film.
They also demonstrated that they were ham-handed in trying to expand upon his outline for the rest of the story.
The latter may not have been so obvious or exacerbated if they were not in such a rush to complete the series. Just the additional 7 "lost" episodes from 7 & 8 would have made a huge difference.
They also demonstrated that they were ham-handed in trying to expand upon his outline for the rest of the story.
The latter may not have been so obvious or exacerbated if they were not in such a rush to complete the series. Just the additional 7 "lost" episodes from 7 & 8 would have made a huge difference.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:57 am to Soup Sammich
Dumb and Dumber
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:58 am to udtiger
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D & D demonstrated they had a deft hand in converting and condensing GRRM's copious material to television/film.
They also demonstrated that they were ham-handed in trying to expand upon his outline for the rest of the story.
I have an issue with this quote. What would everyone list as their top 5 moments in GOT?
Hardhome? Battle of the Bastards? Hold the Door? The Arya/Tywin interactions? Hell, maybe even Snow's King in the North scene or the Dothraki and Drogon attacking the Lannister caravan or Arya slaughtering the Freys? None of these are in the books and I'm willing to bet at least 1-2, if not more, end up in everyone's top 5 list.
I take issue with people shitting on D&D as being incapable outside of the book material. As mentioned in earlier posts, the real issue was that D&D had one foot out of the door and couldn't get out of there fast enough to work on other projects. They do deserve a lot of blame for that.
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 8:27 am
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:59 am to udtiger
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Just the additional 7 "lost" episodes from 7 & 8 would have made a huge difference.
Yeah, and after watching the Game of Thrones behind the scenes 2 hr show, i'd be pretty pissed if i put in all of that work and effort for 10 years to have the show wrapped up so lazily and sloppily. I mean i'm sure all the crew are proud of the work they did, but they have to be disappointed with the ending.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:10 am to BugAC
I don't see some of those actors hanging around for 12 years
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:33 am to prplhze2000
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I don't see some of those actors hanging around for 12 years
This was literally the easiest show in television history to kill off characters without warning.
1. The audience expected it for its whole run.
2. There was no book endgame, so they had 100% plot freedom regardless of what is being set up in the novels.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:41 am to theGarnetWay
Season 5 says you’re totally wrong. As does season 7&8,
They had a few good episodes when the material ran out, but more if that success lies with the directors and set designers. Those were mostly battle episodes.
They had a few good episodes when the material ran out, but more if that success lies with the directors and set designers. Those were mostly battle episodes.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:49 am to Soup Sammich
100% no questions asked, D&D.
HBO would have given them the world to continue.
GRRM gave them the plot points.
All they had to do was connect the dots and create a concise narrative.
Instead, due to their lack of writing ability, they decided to exchange developed character arcs for gratuitous action scenes.
They substituted cheaper and more appreciated character development scenes for expensive CGI battles and dragon scenes. Then they rushed it all to a conclusion.
HBO would have given them the world to continue.
GRRM gave them the plot points.
All they had to do was connect the dots and create a concise narrative.
Instead, due to their lack of writing ability, they decided to exchange developed character arcs for gratuitous action scenes.
They substituted cheaper and more appreciated character development scenes for expensive CGI battles and dragon scenes. Then they rushed it all to a conclusion.
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 8:51 am
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