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re: Which movie kicked off the boom in comic movies?

Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:28 am to
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:28 am to
If we go back to Batman then it gets murkier - the Superman movies went well into the 80's. That makes Superman the starter.

Granted...the Batman franchise spanned 1989-1997 so there's that.

The Superman franchise extended from 1978-1987. So that obviously kicked off batman.

X-men discussions started in 1995.

The "complex" answer is Superman.

The more identifiable immediate answer is X-Men
Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:30 am to
what about spawn?
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:33 am to
Spawn was in 1997.

To me it's clear Hollywood always wanted to tell these stories, but it wasn't until technology caught up and allowed for cheaper more believable effects that everything blew up.

Think about how much CGI was in Spider-Man in 2003.
Posted by Murray
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:36 am to
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Granted...the Batman franchise spanned 1989-1997 so there's that. The Superman franchise extended from 1978-1987. So that obviously kicked off batman.


Neither Superman nor Batmans success warranted a risk of a large investment in non-iconic characters.

You're all missing the moment when the studio heads, that only care about the returns, became aware of the possibility that more than Superman and Batman were economically viable.

This all being said, I'm pretty sure Spiderman would've come eventually no matter what. That property just needed advancements in special effects for it to take off.

But as for an Xmen, that level of marketing and budget doesn't happen without Blade.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:38 am to
probably "Batman Forever". Right after that you had a slew of bombing comic book movies and then Spiderman and W-Men came and the genie was out of the bottle. From that point on, Superhero movies have been a constant.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:42 am to
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But as for an Xmen, that level of marketing and budget doesn't happen without Blade.



It's not like Blade blew up the box office. It made just over $70 million throughout its run. Even Batman & Robin, considered to be responsible for almost killing the comic book movie, grossed over $100 million the previous year. And when Blade first came out I, as well as many Americans, weren't even aware that it was based off of a comic book.

X-Men was the true starter. It unexpectedly finished #1 in its first week at the box office, went on to gross over $100 million and gave studio execs the courage to green light Spider-Man.
Posted by Murray
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:44 am to
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And when Blade first came out I, as well as many Americans, weren't even aware that it was based off of a comic book.


You're proving my point.

It was definitely Blade but continue your debate gentlemen. I have to check out now.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:47 am to
I'm not sure how it could be Blade when Batman and Robin came out the year before and was monetarily more successful.
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:53 am to
Its not Blade. The masses don't know Blade was based on a comic.

Pretty much everyone knew XMen was.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 7:54 am
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 7:56 am to
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To me it's clear Hollywood always wanted to tell these stories, but it wasn't until technology caught up and allowed for cheaper more believable effects that everything blew up.

Good point. T2 had great SFX but it was ahead of it's time. It wasnt for a few more years that every movie was able to have good SFX. So maybe we should credit Toy Story or Matrix.

Anyone recall the FF movie being made in the mid-90s which was never released? I don't recall the reason it wasn't released bc supposedly it was finished or mostly finished.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:00 am to
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Its not Blade. The masses don't know Blade was based on a comic. Pretty much everyone knew XMen was.

True, but what Murray is saying is the studio execs saw how much money was made even from a minor comic character so figured more money could be made from major comic characters.

The public saw it as a vampire movie, but maybe movie makers drew a different result.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 8:09 am to
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The public saw it as a vampire movie, but maybe movie makers drew a different result.


I'm not buying it. If X-Men started its planning phase in line with the "Batman Forever" release in 1995 - before Blade started - how did Blade kick it off?

If we say Blade because it was officially Marvel then why not say Howard the Duck?
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 8:21 am
Posted by Michael T. Tiger
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:06 am to
quote:

Matrix.


I made this point on the first page.

quote:


Anyone recall the FF movie being made in the mid-90s which was never released? I don't recall the reason it wasn't released bc supposedly it was finished or mostly finished.


It wasn't released because it was only made so that the company that made it could retain the rights. It was never intended to be released.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:15 am to
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Murray


You know as well as I do that comic book movies only became cool once Cyclops hit the big screen.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:36 am to
It's obvious that the answer is Howard the Duck.

And the people saying it's not Blade because people didn't know he was comic character are missing the point. It's that most people didn't know he was a comic character that made the movies success so important. And let's not trump box office numbers to downplay the success of a movie with two sequels.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:43 am to
Spawn
Posted by dyslexic
Left field
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:43 am to
Murray was peddling comics when most people on here was still shittin yellow.

If I want to find him on the droppings, I just start a comic book thread.


I don't know how he feels about Cyclops, but up until a few years ago he was still rocking Super Man lunch box.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 9:49 am
Posted by Josh Fenderman
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:52 am to
quote:

The masses don't know Blade was based on a comic.

Any kid who ever watched the animated Spider-man series on Fox knew Blade was a comic book character.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:56 am to
Regardless of whether people knew Blade was a comic book character or not, the timing doesn't add up.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:00 am to
If anything, Blade probably kicked of the boom of films like Underworld, shite like that.

Gun toting wisecracking vampire action films.
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 10:01 am
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