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re: Wheel of Time - Season 1 - Amazon - NOW A BOOK READERS THREAD
Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:54 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:54 am to Fun Bunch
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And as I have said, its not mediocre due to production values or anything you melters go on about. The production values are fine, much better than a show like Witcher.
I am going to disagree here. There are times when I notice something is off on WoT. I never feel like that in the Witcher. It also may be something that is due to the story. The monsters in the Witcher typically fight solo. So, the scenes look better. When there are hundreds of trollocs attacking, it just doesn't look right.
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:54 am to Fun Bunch
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And as I have said, its not mediocre due to production values or anything you melters go on about. The production values are fine, much better than a show like Witcher.
WOT production feels like its CW level.
At least The Witcher looks right.
I tried to give this show a chance, but we bailed after ep4
just felt very CWish, moreso than a show like Shadow and Bone on Netflix
Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:55 am to td01241
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We get it you like WoT and want it to be better. You don’t have to go full retard though.
In terms of production value? The production values of Witcher are not very good at all. They hide a lot of it in dark lighting.
Do you even read? Production values aren't the problem with WoT.
It was the pathetic writing.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
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Do you even read? Production values aren't the problem with WoT.
the writing is obviously the major problem, but we also consume with our eyes
and the production/design of WOT is absolutely a problem
Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
WoT looks like a high school play. The Witcher has top notch visuals, practical effects, cinematography, and acting with acceptable cgi.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:57 am to DestrehanTiger
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There are times when I notice something is off on WoT.
Because they went with ultra bright lighting.
It was a major tactical mistake on their part. You can't hide anything.
Witcher hides everything behind sepia tones and dark dark lightning.
Remember the Dragon in S1 of Witcher? Go watch that again. There was nothing in WoT that bad. Nothing even close.
Again, IF WOT had good writing, no one would even be commenting on the production.
It didn't. The writing was not good. Many changes they made, made no sense whatsoever.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:59 am to td01241
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WoT looks like a high school play. The Witcher has top notch visuals, practical effects, cinematography, and acting with acceptable cgi.
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:00 am to Salmon
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and the production/design of WOT is absolutely a problem
The lighting was the problem and it made what was expensive look cheap.
Pretty much every industry insider, fx person, set designer, etc has commented on how big of a problem the lighting they chose to use was.
Regardless, it doesn't matter. The show is mediocre regardless of what reason you come up with.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:01 am to Fun Bunch
I mean don’t get me wrong neither are hallmark achievements. Both shows biggest problem is the screenplay but one is carried to success by its production. There’s a reason your opinion is in the extreme minority though.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:04 am to Fun Bunch
WoT looks pretty bad man. Looks like a syfy channel movie from the early 2000. Combine that with the budget it had and it's just terrible.
I'm about a third of the way through book 3 and am enjoying the series, don't have high hopes for the show improving going forward though.
I'm about a third of the way through book 3 and am enjoying the series, don't have high hopes for the show improving going forward though.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:04 am to Fun Bunch
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Because they went with ultra bright lighting.
It was a major tactical mistake on their part. You can't hide anything.
Witcher hides everything behind sepia tones and dark dark lightning.
I'm not well versed in technical aspects of videography. All I know is the Witcher keeps me in the zone with their effects and WoT doesn't. When there is a monster fight in the Witcher, I'm engaged in the scene. When trollocs are running around I keep thinking their movements look extremely jerky and weird. I don't care why that is the case.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:06 am to td01241
It isn't in general, just on this board.
Again, there have been a TON of comments and posts online from actual professionals that work in the industry on large productions.
You can stretch a budget much further if you just hide everything in darkness and sepia, which is what Witcher does.
It is what it is and doesn't really matter much.
The show isn't good. Its not as bad as this board makes it out to be, but it isn't good either.
I don't care that much one way or the other. I won't follow the s2 production as much as I did s1 production because its just not a good enough product to care too much about.
Again, there have been a TON of comments and posts online from actual professionals that work in the industry on large productions.
You can stretch a budget much further if you just hide everything in darkness and sepia, which is what Witcher does.
It is what it is and doesn't really matter much.
The show isn't good. Its not as bad as this board makes it out to be, but it isn't good either.
I don't care that much one way or the other. I won't follow the s2 production as much as I did s1 production because its just not a good enough product to care too much about.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:07 am to Fun Bunch
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Many were total headscratchers that did nothing but alienate book fans.
If you told me Rafe Judkins and Rian Johnson studied under the same mentor, it wouldn't surprise me.
Rafe is doing to WoT what Rian did to Star Wars.
They both felt they needed to "fix" the source material.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:13 am to Centinel
I read an interview with Rafe two days ago where he said going in he knew that he would lose pretty much all book fans (and I am paraphrasing here), but that he couldn't care at all about that because he had to adapt an entire series and make it appeal to as wide a non-fantasy audience as possible.
This was a colossally stupid miscalculation on his part.
Obviously, A LOT has to change in order to adapt 14 books.
But core things should have stayed as close to the source as possible. You keep book fans happy for S1 before the major cuts need to happen. AND...there's reason the series is so popular. It is good.
He let hubris and his politics get in the way.
I should have known about year ago when he made a joke about asking Sarah Nakumura during the writing process if Perrin could talk to Bears instead of wolves (and apparently this was a real idea).
This was a colossally stupid miscalculation on his part.
Obviously, A LOT has to change in order to adapt 14 books.
But core things should have stayed as close to the source as possible. You keep book fans happy for S1 before the major cuts need to happen. AND...there's reason the series is so popular. It is good.
He let hubris and his politics get in the way.
I should have known about year ago when he made a joke about asking Sarah Nakumura during the writing process if Perrin could talk to Bears instead of wolves (and apparently this was a real idea).
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:18 am to Fun Bunch
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He let hubris and his politics get in the way.
For people like him (and Johnson), everything is filtered through their politics, and their politics drive all of their decisions.
It's sad, and it ends up ruining good stories.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:23 am to Centinel
I had many reservations throughout the process based on comments Rafe made. I hoped for the best.
It was pretty clear that he just wasn't able to separate his politics from the production.
He made it a point throughout to hire as many women and minorities for the writing room and directors chair as he could. Some had some pretty questionable CVs, in my opinion.
It showed.
It was pretty clear that he just wasn't able to separate his politics from the production.
He made it a point throughout to hire as many women and minorities for the writing room and directors chair as he could. Some had some pretty questionable CVs, in my opinion.
It showed.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:23 am to Centinel
I was actually really excited for this show since it’s one of the few slew of big fantasy adaptations I haven’t read and know what happens. They definitely subverted my expectations.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:31 am to td01241
It really is a shame. It could have been huge. Its one of the best fantasy series of all time.
The ratings and so on for it are great, so I doubt they learned any lessons.
I will give S2 a chance.
The ratings and so on for it are great, so I doubt they learned any lessons.
I will give S2 a chance.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:41 am to DestrehanTiger
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My only hope is that this show takes a Seinfeld/Parks and Rec turn after the first season.
Would be great but I don’t think that’s likely Bc the second season has already been filmed or is already being filmed, I think. If the showrunners perceive a problem, and I’m not sure they do, it’s likely too late to change anything meaningful.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:43 am to Fun Bunch
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The production values of Witcher are not very good at all. They hide a lot of it in dark lighting.
Then WOT needs to go with dark lighting too Bc the Witcher looks fine and WOT sometimes looks good, oftentimes looks cheap.
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