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re: What am I missing about "Breakfast at Tiffany's", isn't Holly a terrible person?

Posted on 2/4/24 at 3:32 pm to
Posted by cypresstiger
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Posted on 2/4/24 at 3:32 pm to
Yes she’s terrible, sad, damaged and flawed. But she has hope in the end.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 2/4/24 at 4:40 pm to
Yes, at the end of the film, there is hope that she and Paul have something good going on between them.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 2/4/24 at 5:41 pm to
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Finally, ole Paul gets her, but there's no way this girl is staying faithful to him.
Well, Paul is a kept man as well, so they kind of deserve each other.
Posted by chinese58
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Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:07 pm to
IRL Buddy Ebson, who played Doc Golightly, was a year away from the debut of The Beverly Hillbillies and only 53 in 1961, but he always looked older than he was. According to IMDb, he made 10 guest appearances on TV shows in 1961 too. IMDb

Here's what Breakfast at Tiffany's wiki page (under plot) says about DocGolightly's visit to NY:

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Some time later, 2E enters Paul's apartment, worried about someone loitering outside the building. Paul confronts the man who explains he is Holly's husband, Doc Golightly. They married when she was 14, but she ran away, and he has come to bring her back to rural Texas. After Paul reunites Holly and Doc, she informs Paul that the marriage was annulled. At the Greyhound bus station, she tells Doc that he made a mistake in "trying to love a wild thing", and he leaves broken-hearted.

This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 9:46 am
Posted by chinese58
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Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:33 pm to
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Yes she’s terrible, sad, damaged and flawed. But she has hope in the end.

Kind of poignant.

The Parallels Between Audrey Hepburn and Holly Golightly There many similarities between actress the character Hepburn famously portrayed in the 1961 film 'Breakfast at Tiffany's.' / from biography.com



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Childhood was a traumatic time for both Hepburn and Golightly

Before she became a girl-about-town in New York City, Golightly endured a difficult childhood in Texas. In the film, her older, abandoned husband Doc Golightly recounts that he first met Holly (then known as Lulamae Barnes) and her brother Fred when they were hungrily "stealing milk and turkey eggs" because they'd run away from "some mean, no-account people." Doc also admits he married Holly when "she was going on 14."

Hepburn's youth was just as traumatic as Golightly's fictional one. After Britain declared war on Nazi Germany, Hepburn's Dutch mother took her from England to Holland because she thought they would be safer in a neutral country. This meant an 11-year-old Hepburn and her family were present for the Nazi invasion of Holland on May 10, 1940. Hepburn then had to grow up during the German occupation. She aided the Dutch resistance, witnessed deportations and had a brother taken away to a German labor camp.

Like Golightly, Hepburn knew hunger. Dutch supplies were depleted by occupying forces, with the situation becoming particularly bad during the Hongerwinter ("hunger winter") of 1944-45. Millions suffered during the famine and malnutrition was widespread. Hepburn, who ate tulip bulbs to survive, would experience lifelong effects on her health from the experience. ...


Sounds like Doc took her and her brother in. Neither of them acted like they ever had sex with each other even though they had married. Doc seems like too good of a guy to have had sex with a 14 year old.

To me it's crazy anyone could watch it and not realize George Peppard's Paul Varjak character was a gigolo to Patricia Neal. All her character does is talk about buying the furniture and decor for his apartment, giving him money or buying him a new suits. Pretty sure, when Paul tells her he loves Holly, she even offers to pay for a vacation for him and Holly, just so he comes back to her. In my mind his existence was much worse than Holly's. After all, a woman can fake an orgasm.

ETA: Gigaloing ain't easy!
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 9:47 am
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 2/4/24 at 9:56 pm to
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feel the same way about Catcher In The Rye.

Holden Caulfield is a piece of shite and the whole story is pablum and selfish self pity.

But some high brow academic says it's a masterpiece.


Yes. Thank you.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:57 am to
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Sounds like Doc took her and her brother in.


Great insight. This thread has made me realize that the Back Story about Holly's time in Texas can be written to make her a very sympathetic person, or a much less sympathetic person. If she abandoned her own children, she's a jerk. If the other version of the back story is written, she's much more sympathetic. IMHO, this whole script/story/film works better when Holly is sympathetic.

Thanks to this thread for helping me think this over. It was fun.


Of course, Paul is a Kept Man. His older female Patron believes in his talent as a writer and that seems genuine. She supports him because she wants to keep him in her life and watch him grow as a writer.

This is one of the great American films - very well done.

This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 6:47 pm
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:11 am to
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Audrey would've agreed with you. She didn't buy into her own hype.


To be fair, yes, I think she's beautiful, it's just that when her name is mentioned their tends to be a gushing of how shes' the most beautiful starlet in the History of film.

I'd wager an YvonneDeCarlo/DebraPaget/MaureenO'Hara, etc. against it.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:18 am to
I've never seen the movie but I like this take.

Upvote, mofo.
Posted by Jack Ruby
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 10:16 am to
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I've never seen the movie but I like this take.


Honestly, I'm very surprised someone has not tried to remake this film into what it really is, which is a pretty dark story.

But, then again, films like Magic Mike and numerous others basically did that very thing.
Posted by cypresstiger
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:29 pm to
Watching it now, Mickey Rooney's character is cringy.
Posted by Jack Ruby
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:10 pm to
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Watching it now, Mickey Rooney's character is cringy.


The Rooney character is all Blake Edwards. It's a purely comedic role and it was barely 15 yrs after WWII.

There's a reason why Edwards meshed so well with Sellers.
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