re: Westworld S2 E9: Vanishing Point

But she would have seen the card. She explicitly said she saw that it was a ballerina in the box. She would have opened it. She might have just known it was a ballerina box though and threw it away before opening. I dunno

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Emily said her mom left the card for her, and she probably would have gotten the ballerina box after mom offed herself.

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Right, but the point of her story was that she threw away the box and never saw it again. If it were the real Emily who was given the box after her mom killed herself she'd have known that the box never got taken out with the trash.

Why am I so turned on by Zombie Clementine

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Why am I so turned on by Zombie Clementine

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Because you are a red-blooded heterosexual. Bish be fine...

Also the dispute over who was scared of the elephants.

HBO has a hardon for Father's day, they also aired the Tywin/Tyrion scene on Father's day

Great episode.... Is William a cloned guest?

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Emily said her mom left the card for her, and she probably would have gotten the ballerina box after mom offed herself.

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Jesus, yes. I don't understand how people are thinking that Ford had some elaborate plan to get the information into the hands of a host Emily. Emily went through her mom's things after she died, found the box that was thrown in the trash but recovered by mom, and found the profile in the box, right where her mom left it before taking that last bath. Emily would have instantly recognized what that box was when she saw it. Juliet would not have left the card there if she didn't want Emily to know the information was left specifically for her to have.

Just because the story Emily told William about that box ended at her throwing it in the trash and not being able to find it before the trash got taken out doesn't mean that she's a host. Emily stopped there because she was holding the part about finding the box again back from William. Also, she can't tell that she found the box again because they're going to show you that later. It's a narrative tool to introduce the music box so the viewer later immediately knows the importance of Juliet planting the profile inside of it without having to break that scene to explain it.

So, Emily throws the box away as a bitchy teen and Juliet fishes it out and keeps it. Fast forward years later to the night Juliet kills herself. There's all the back and forth and interplay going on between Emily, William, and Juliet at the party. William takes Juliet back home. Emily stays at the party a bit longer and is going to meet up with William later at the house for a nightcap. William puts Juliet to bed after Emily arrives and hints at rehab. William confesses to Juliet when he thinks she's asleep and puts the profile in the book. William goes downstairs to meet with Emily and Emily reveals she's had Juliet committed. Juliet gets out of bed, gets the card, reads the card, puts the card in the music box, and takes a bath. Emily sits with William at the table. The water drips. They go upstairs and find Juliet. Turmoil.

Later, when going through Juliet's things after her death, Emily finds the box that she's thought lost all these years, finds the card in the box, finds the dirt on dad. Dad's gone back to the park to live out his days (he says he's never leaving again in season one) as his true self and not the good guy he pretended to be on the outside. Emily goes to find dad to find out what really happened that night after mom and dad went upstairs and maybe drag him kicking and screaming out of the park to own up to what he is.

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Ford obviously gave William the card as part of the “last game.”

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This, I think, is without question. I think Ford was trying to make William see what he'd become. If seeing his own profile weren't enough to make William understand, Ford's last game would, along with so much more.

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I believe Emily is a host. There are too many instances where it could have been proven to the audience but it hasn’t happened.

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I think that's just a storytelling technique to get you thinking it's possible. If you're questioning, then you won't immediately think Williams delusions are completely absurd and you'll go along with them a little longer. William has totally lost his shite and is so consumed with Ford's last game that there's no place in his mind for anything in the park that isn't part of that last game. It has not clicked for William that the last game involves so much more than the park and him and Ford. So, when he sees something that doesn't make sense, his first go-to instinct is that it's Ford talking to him through a host and trying to frick with him.

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think there’s basically two ways to look at it.

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Nah just Option 1.

But.. that also leaves many things to chance in Ford's plan for William. A host Emily comes with far less variables.

However ridiculous it sounds, I do believe Emily in whichever form was part of Ford's plan for William.