re: Westworld S1 E08: "Trace Decay"

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This is a non-starter. You have the same host on two different loops in the same visit? No way. If one guest encounters the same host doing two completely different things that don't make sense in the context of how long the guest has been in the park, it's a game-breaker.

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How do we know those are different loops? I can definitely see his start in Pariah ending in a noose elsewhere. Or do you think his loop starts with him in a noose? Fun fact: El Lazo is spanish for "the noose."

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"Doesn't look like much to me."

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I like your confidence, but to be 100% certain about anything at this point is purposeful ignorance.

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I think that where Delores is concerned, there's a LOT of similar events from different times merging together and echoing around her mind muddying the issue.

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My big issue is that if we are seeing different time-frames through her POV, then how the frick did we see Logan and William alone on the train?

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I like your confidence, but to be 100% certain about anything at this point is purposeful ignorance.

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Nah. I'm not 100% certain. I just believe that we've got William in Black going on, but I don't think it looks like much just as often as the rest of you. I admit that. Others won't.

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My big issue is that if we are seeing different time-frames through her POV, then how the frick did we see Logan and William alone on the train?

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It's not a hard POV idea, but we've already been shown that we cannot trust a host's perception. Bernard didn't see the door and neither did we, until Theresa mentioned it. That's why I don't trust a damned thing unless I see a character I know(think?) is a human experience it. Logan and William are humans, so I trust what I'm shown if it's them experiencing it, and I believe the train scene. What I was really getting at is that things Delores sees when she's with William can't be trusted to be happening anywhen near when William actually is. She's seen multiple echoes of past and current events that occurred at everyt place we've seen her since old Abernathy glitched and gave her the "violent delights" treatment. We just can't trust her when. “Where are we? When are we? Is this now? Am I going mad? Are you real? I can’t tell anymore.”

I'm trying to use what William sees when he's with Delores to help build a trustworthy timeline of his interactions with her.

That's not to say HBO won't pull a mindfrick on us and show that the humans are unreliable narrators as well. After all, they did make it a point to tell Maeve that every memory she has is perfectly stored, and the name of the episode refers to a theory about how human memories get fuzzy over time.

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. I would think if you're paying $40K you can show up whenever

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I just want to note, that we are clearly in the future here, so $40k is not what it is worth today. Doesn't mean it's not still expensive, because we are led to believe it is, but we don't have a great frame of reference for currency value.

Further, it makes it more interesting when discussing 2 timelines, because the $40k figure was revealed in what is supposedly 30 years ago.

Just something to ponder

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After all, they did make it a point to tell Maeve that every memory she has is perfectly stored, and the name of the episode refers to a theory about how human memories get fuzzy over time

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Yeah but is that not specifically to Maeve because of her enhanced perception? That's how I took it in the scene but I may be wrong.

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Flaskbacks /= seperate timelines, and William/Logan are present day. I don't know how that isn't easily apparent.

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I agree, but every week this thread is completely overwhelmed by people who won't shut up about William being Ed Harris or "multiple timelines". It's overrun by mouth-breathers, which sucks because discussion of this show could be fun if it wasn't for this "multiple timeline" religious faith.

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Damn, I guess it's finally time for me to switch to the two times camp. I was rewatching the scene with the board member and the brit writer. She says "He dug up some old town..." Though the background of that scene has to mean something.

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I seem to recall a Spanish town getting dug up, as in demolished during the Hacienda restaurant scene. It's not the town that Delores is in.

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I agree, but every week this thread is completely overwhelmed by people who won't shut up about William being Ed Helms or "multiple timelines". It's overrun by mouth-breathers, which sucks because discussion of this show could be fun if it wasn't for this "multiple timeline" religious faith.

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I really was hoping there would be some discussion here that was constructive, like for instance, WHO IS FORD BUILDING IN SECRET IN THE COTTAGE?

Ok, for some non timeline related talk, because that's fricking infuriating:

My predictions/thoughts from episode 3:

1: the Maze could be something left in the world by Arnold, and only a few of the hosts in the park even know it exists or have 'easter eggs' left that one could find. (CONFIRMED)

2: I don't think Ed Harris is in cahoots with Hopkins. (CONFIRMED)

3: The maze is for Delores, and she is likely a copy of a dead relative of Arnold's. (EDIT: This explains the grave she found of herself)

And I'm adding some:

4: Ford is making an Elsie host in his cottage basement. She's going to be ready just in time to return from leave.

5: Bernard is Arnold, killed by Ford and brought back as a host because he was too good at the emotions of the hosts. His interest in Delores mirrors Arnold's interest.

6: There is at least 1 more Host who thinks they are a human. They may not have been already introduced.

7: This new storyline that Ford is making has ulterior motives, they might have something to do with flushing out the "Arnold" code lurking out there and destroying it. Why is it happening now? Because Ford has been watching Bernard with Delores and knows some of the Arnold code is coming out. "With repetition comes variation". We have to assume everything Bernard knew or said, Ford also knew. Thus, Wyatt might be the "Free" Arnold that is lurking somewhere, and Ford is trying to stop him from revealing this "maze".

8: The evil motives that Ford and co hint that Delos have are along the lines of using hosts to control people. Something akin to "Invasion of the Body Snatchers or a way to use the hosts as an army to take over or work for them. Ford is evil, but he recognizes a greater evil in Delos.

9: No one will ever learn to fricking correctly spell Dolores.

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Teddy (Theodore) killed the Minotaur.

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Going to repost this because I think it's an interesting idea.
In the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur. Theseus kills the minotaur and solves the labyrinth. Now the question is that is this foreshadowing or just an Easter egg?

I think Teddy will be the one to find/solve the maze and free the hosts.