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re: Westworld S1 E08: "Trace Decay"
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:07 am to Puck82
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:07 am to Puck82
Agreed 
I thoroughly enjoy the show and it keeps me and the edge of my seat but it's not because of multiple timeline. And I did clarify there is a chance that there are multiple time lines close together but not 30 years apart and William does not equal mib
I thoroughly enjoy the show and it keeps me and the edge of my seat but it's not because of multiple timeline. And I did clarify there is a chance that there are multiple time lines close together but not 30 years apart and William does not equal mibThis post was edited on 11/21/16 at 10:12 am
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:09 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
I mean I'll be honest, I think we're definitely seeing some different time periods, at least two.
It was pretty clear that Dolores was having flashbacks of 'the event' while with William last night. The thing is, is that if she was having flashbacks of 'the event' that happened 30+ years ago from present day then she can't be in the past of the time period with William that everyone is linking the William=MIB theory to.
That would mean that they're further in time than most people are thinking if not another present day storyline.
It was pretty clear that Dolores was having flashbacks of 'the event' while with William last night. The thing is, is that if she was having flashbacks of 'the event' that happened 30+ years ago from present day then she can't be in the past of the time period with William that everyone is linking the William=MIB theory to.
That would mean that they're further in time than most people are thinking if not another present day storyline.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:13 am to McCaigBro69
This I agree with. There could be multiple time lines but Delores and William aren't 30 years in the past and you don't get to call a flashback an entirely different timeline because that's just not what it is.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:17 am to McCaigBro69
Take it for what it's worth...There's a promo from a couple weeks ago called "The Maze". In it, there's a shot of Delores, in the same clothes she changed in to with William, face to face with someone in the MiB's hat and jacket. You only see him from the back.
There's a bunch of other shots that will get your mind racing as well(the shot at 32 sec mainly). Here's the link in case you're interested...LINK
At this point I don't know what the frick to think.
There's a bunch of other shots that will get your mind racing as well(the shot at 32 sec mainly). Here's the link in case you're interested...LINK
At this point I don't know what the frick to think.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 10:20 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:28 am to TigerstuckinMS
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telling yourself there's only one timeline
There is only one timeline. We just don't know where on the line we are viewing. In other words we don't know when we are viewing a flashback.
Multiple timelines would only exist if someone went Time traveled to a previous point in time and change something. Only then would a secondary timeline be created. Have you not seen "Back to the Future"?
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 10:30 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:35 am to jeff5891
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Multiple timelines would only exist if someone went Time traveled to a previous point in time and change something. Only then would a secondary timeline be created. Have you not seen "Back to the Future"?
Lol I mentioned this in last week's thread. It irks the hell out of me.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:37 am to Puck82
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The only two timelines I can even remotely buy at this point is when they are talking to the hosts in the labs. The scenes in the park of William and MIB are going on at the same time. Damn people. William and Delores were talking in front of the burned church. He isn't in the fricking past Repeat after me. William IS NOT the MIB. Unless he's Benjamin fricking button ETA the whole reason teddy is with the MIB is because he keeps telling teddy that Wyatt has Delores. That lie works because she isn't in her normal loop. She is with William.
Thank you! Amen!
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:00 am to Cooter Davenport
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the whole reason teddy is with the MIB is because he keeps telling teddy that Wyatt has Delores. That lie works because she isn't in her normal loop. She is with William.
It makes you wonder. Ford just recently added all the Wyatt back story, or memories, to Teddy. It's like he knew the MiB would be meeting up with him.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:28 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
MiB also repeats a line William has to the effect of "this park makes you who you really are"
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:48 am to OceanMan
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MiB also repeats a line William has to the effect of "this park makes you who you really are"
Because that's almost a slogan for the park.
I'm wondering if Wyatt is Arnold though. Or atleast his doing. Ford is coming up with the Wyatt story as a cover. Way to stop whatever Arnold set in motion.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 11:51 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:50 am to OceanMan
In that promo, you can see Maeve leading host through the HQ.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:29 pm to Puck82
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The scenes in the park of William and MIB are going on at the same time.
You refuse to acknowledge HUGE hints of the opposite or are perceptive of red herrings. Reviewing the hints the writers dropped of Bernard being a host throughout the season all confirms for me a 2nd "timeline"
Either way, message boards arguing about theories is exactly what Nolan wanted. Bravo.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:32 pm to ell_13
For everyone still thinking it doesn't look like much to them, where was Teddy when William and Logan first entered the park? That's how Teddy begins his loop when they reset the park for a new group of customers: riding into town with them on the train. Also, where was Teddy when Dolores killed Rebus and ran away from the ranch where she later crossed paths with William? I think Teddy was nowhere because he wasn't built yet.
Now, remember that in the MiB time, Teddy exists and Dolores knows about Wyatt. The sheriff/marshal comes out to the ranch and tells Teddy in front of Dolores that they're going after Wyatt. Teddy leaves.
Now, I can't remember anywhere in Dolores and William's interactions where Teddy is ever mentioned, much less Wyatt, while we KNOW that both of those hosts are part of Dolores' narrative in the time when MiB and Teddy are going after Wyatt.
Now, back to Dolores and William. That WHOLE story has NOTHING to do with Teddy and Wyatt. That story starts when William decides to go on the bounty hunt, then Logan decides after they catch the guy that they're going to give him back to Lawrence for payday and adventure instead. They then go out into the park and encounter the Ghost Nation, etc., ride the train full of nitroglycerin, etc.
If William and MiB are in the park at the same time, how is Lawrence able to be on his loop where he has a wife and family and then gets dragged around by MiB while at the same time he is on his loop where he is the gang leader in that outpost and then riding a train full of nitroglycerin with William and Delores?
Just think about that for a second. William and MiB are not in the park at the same time, or it doesn't look like much to you. Your call, I guess.
Either way, the fact that this show is intricate enough to make people internet fight shows that it's well done.
Now, remember that in the MiB time, Teddy exists and Dolores knows about Wyatt. The sheriff/marshal comes out to the ranch and tells Teddy in front of Dolores that they're going after Wyatt. Teddy leaves.
Now, I can't remember anywhere in Dolores and William's interactions where Teddy is ever mentioned, much less Wyatt, while we KNOW that both of those hosts are part of Dolores' narrative in the time when MiB and Teddy are going after Wyatt.
Now, back to Dolores and William. That WHOLE story has NOTHING to do with Teddy and Wyatt. That story starts when William decides to go on the bounty hunt, then Logan decides after they catch the guy that they're going to give him back to Lawrence for payday and adventure instead. They then go out into the park and encounter the Ghost Nation, etc., ride the train full of nitroglycerin, etc.
If William and MiB are in the park at the same time, how is Lawrence able to be on his loop where he has a wife and family and then gets dragged around by MiB while at the same time he is on his loop where he is the gang leader in that outpost and then riding a train full of nitroglycerin with William and Delores?
Just think about that for a second. William and MiB are not in the park at the same time, or it doesn't look like much to you. Your call, I guess.
Either way, the fact that this show is intricate enough to make people internet fight shows that it's well done.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:34 pm to Xenophon
My mind is boggled like a host just trying to figure this show out. But I'm addicted!
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:37 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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If William and MiB are in the park at the same time, how is Lawrence able to be on his loop where he has a wife and family and then gets dragged around by MiB while at the same time on his loop where he is the gang leader in that outpost and then riding a train full of nitroglycerin with William and Delores?
I could just as easily argue that since the MIB has spent countless time inside the park, which is a known fact, that the excerpts we saw of him and Lawerence were in a time before William and Logan actually got in the park, regardless of when the scenes were aired, or what content they followed. Time and scene context is not something the writers respect clearly, so this is completely possible.
I see what you're saying, but it's honestly foolish to really believe anything at this point or say anyone else is wrong.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:42 pm to McCaigBro69
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I could just as easily argue that since the MIB has spent countless time inside the park, which is a known fact, that the excerpts we saw of him and Lawerence were in a time before William and Logan actually got in the park
Nope. You've seen MiB and Lawrence AND Teddy all in the same scene. Remember how Lawrence and MiB part company? Yep, the Teddy Transfusion.
MiB rescues Lawrence from the hanging crew, makes Lawrence lead him to the town, kills Lawrence's wife, the little girl tells MiB what he wants to know, MiB and Lawrence head off based on what the girl said, MiB and Lawrence cross paths with Teddy. Bye, Lawrence. So, that puts the MiB's interactions with Teddy and Lawrence in the same timeframe.
How is Lawrence both hanging upside down from a tree and getting bled like a butchered pig by the MiB and on the train with Dolores and William? He isn't, because those two stories are happening at different times and Lawrence has different loops in each. One loop, he's MiB's walking blood bag for Teddy, the other, he's running nitroglycerin with Delores and William then noping the frick out when they get to the uncharted lands or whatever it was he called them.
EDIT: I will admit, though, that Delores' timeline gets a bit murky because of all the flashbacks. It's entirely possible that her unreliability as a narrator muddies the waters on exact timing and such, but I'm convinced that MiB and William are two different stories occurring at two different times. I am leaning toward William in Black, though, because they so heavily have hinted at it, but will also admit that it could be a red herring.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:46 pm to TigerstuckinMS
True dat.
I've already said my guess is that the events are taking place in two different time periods, but I think they are closer than most believe.
It also confused me when MIB mentioned he didn't start looking for the maze last night until after he killed Maeve. If William=MIB that doesn't make sense. Dolores has rambled about the maze already, and while William likely doesn't know wtf she is talking about, I would expect him and her to either reach the maze or Arnold at the end of the season.
I've already said my guess is that the events are taking place in two different time periods, but I think they are closer than most believe.
It also confused me when MIB mentioned he didn't start looking for the maze last night until after he killed Maeve. If William=MIB that doesn't make sense. Dolores has rambled about the maze already, and while William likely doesn't know wtf she is talking about, I would expect him and her to either reach the maze or Arnold at the end of the season.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:52 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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For everyone still thinking it doesn't look like much to them, where was Teddy when William and Logan first entered the park? That's how Teddy begins his loop when they reset the park for a new group of customers: riding into town with them on the train. Also, where was Teddy when Dolores killed Rebus and ran away from the ranch where she later crossed paths with William? I think Teddy was nowhere because he wasn't built yet.
I didn't even make it to the rest of your post, but you are ignoring the fact that teddy could be tied up with other guests during these times.
He isn't going to be on that train every day
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:58 pm to bee Rye
I also wonder if there is literally only one train that goes into the park each day. We already know multiple guests are in the park. I would think if you're paying $40K you can show up whenever.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:58 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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For everyone still thinking it doesn't look like much to them, where was Teddy when William and Logan first entered the park? That's how Teddy begins his loop when they reset the park for a new group of customers: riding into town with them on the train.
they were in different cars. will/logan were in a bar car, while teddy has always been seen in passenger car.
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Also, where was Teddy when Dolores killed Rebus and ran away from the ranch where she later crossed paths with William?
If you trust the chronological order as shown in the show, Teddy already left to find Wyatt
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That story starts when William decides to go on the bounty hunt,
With Dolores running into them after she killed Rebus (again, based on how events were ordered in the show)
I like how you are ignoring things just like the people you are bitching about. As of now, we have to make compromises to claim definitively that anything is known.
ETA to continue playing devil's advocate.
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How is Lawrence both hanging upside down from a tree and getting bled like a butchered pig by the MiB and on the train with Dolores and William?
As the story unfolded, these things did not happen simultaneously. Lawrence was killed, MiB specically said someone would be by soon to get him, and then we see Will/Logan/Dolores in a morning scene before the meet up with El Lazo in Pariah. So, as it is portrayed, there is at least one entire night between Lawrence's death and El Lazo's appearance in the other loop.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 1:03 pm
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