re: Westworld S1 E08: "Trace Decay"

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Hmmmmmmm, I'm sure the writers think it's not big deal and makes perfect sense that MIB and William wear their holsters on opposite sides.

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The weapon is drawn with the right hand in both cases, so it doesn't really point to much. It's probably more misdirection.

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The MiB talks to Lawrence like he knows him well. They're old buddies...and then all the sudden Lawrence is in a story where he's the big shot crime boss in Pariah and ends up on a mission with William?

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Ed Harris intercepted Lawrence at the END of his normal story loop where he is hung by the Confederates and then took him off on his mission to find the maze. When Ed Harris killed Lawrence to drain his blood out for Teddy, Lawrence was fixed and re-started on the next iteration of his story loop when it was all ready to go again. That's when William et al encounter him in Pariah.

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The level of cognitive dissonance the believers in the William is Ed Harris theory are willing to engage in to keep believing in it is amazing. It's truly a religion to you guys now.

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Indeed. Let's talk about logos.

If MiB isn't William (which I am starting to think is the case) I think he could be Logan's father (William's future father in law).

I heard an interesting theory today that was that hale was MiB's daughter and that is how she rose to be on the board at such a young age.

What I find most interesting about the show and connections of the cast is that Logan and William are the only two guests without a last name and MiB is the only one without a name at all.

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I only ever read these threads. I noticed Ford bringing up his son and Bernard dropping everything the first time, but didn't really think anything of it until somebody mentioned it here too. Then it happened again later. Also, I brought up the garden of eden allusions with Bernard=serpent/Satan, then someone expanded on that by saying Satan was created by God (Ford). It was all right there.

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I too thought it was odd that Bernard would just drop the subject whenever Ford would bring up his son. But I wasn't on board with him being a robot yet, despite what several of yall were saying. He wasn't on a loop that I could tell so I thought he was real. But this also brings up a good point for a single timeline. Teddy is also behaving like Bernard, which means he has to be in current time. Delores is also behaving like Bernard, so she too must be in current time. These 3 are the most up to date state of the art models, most likely updated in Ford's basement. Therefore they cannot be operating on an older timeline.

Anyone else want just a little look at the "real" world in this show, just for context? Are we talking 20 years from now, or 200?

I mean, the show is awfully polished and all, but I want a legit grasp of the stakes. Does Ford hold the key to advanced medical treatments and a loyal labor force, or is he just a tyrant at Disneyworld?

I need something more real than the hosts' motivation, I want to know just how important this is in the bigger setting.

I love classical music as well, but FYI they don't call classical music songs, they call them pieces.

So they played a Debussy piece and you found it. Not tryung to be a snob or dick, just pointing out what someone once pointed out to me.

This is such a brilliant show! I finally got caught up. I think Teddy may be the man in black. Remeber he and Delores have a history.

How can teddy and MIB be the same person? Every scene they have we have people speaking to both of them and they speak to each other in other people's presence.

Okay, shoot me but this is my take.

Bernard = Arnold. In the meeting in Ford's office, Ford tells PresentBernard that Arnold's personal life had a lot of pain and he dissolved into his work. Next scene is cut to "Bernard" talking to his wife over the video phone, I actually think this is a flashback to PastArnold talking to his wife. I think the meetings with Dolores clothed are PastArnold meetings with Dolores. I do think they have the same backstory about the death of the son. Also another telling line was PastArnold telling his wife on the video call when she said "I don't know if these convos hurt or help" and PastArnold says "the pain is all I have leftover of him" -same exact line Maeve uses when she lost her "daughter".

On a completely different note and I know it's been hammered enough, butI do think we are seeing different timeframes..... it's not that cut and dry though. The last episode when Ford tells PresentBernard when he erases his memory of the Theresa murder something like "it's best to forget and not get lost in these memories like some of your other hosts have" as Ford is making that statement it cuts to Dolores finding the old town. I think William is in a past timeframe, but when we are seeing Dolores from her own perspective, she is lost in memories with him. I don't know a better way to describe how I'm seeing it. William will end up being MIB too many hints and clues IMO, if it doesn't happen, it doesn't, but I just can't see them bringing light of so many similarities (aside from lacking of a mole). The whole Dolores finding the town scene just made my brain really start going, she comes up on the town with William and is like "this is home", then it's her walking by herself up to this empty town and then she sees the flashback to before the park opened, then William jumps in right when she is about to shoot herself and they are at an unearthed town, same steeple that's been being dug up for a while, but everything is untouched. Then she asks if William is real and if he's really there of which he responds that he is. I think it's like almost she's just stuck in a dream state-stuck on a loop in her memories.

I'm excited about the next 2 episodes. Hopefully some questions are answered. And theories can be proved or disproved.