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Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:04 am to cokebottleag
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But somehow, there are two timelines here?
And I thought the fact that the host from William's arrival and orientation suddenly being in the park, along with MiB's remark about thinking she'd been "decommissioned by now," would have pretty much settled the idea of 2 timeframes for most people, not to mention the fact that William is MiB. Silly me.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 6:29 am to Merck
If that's indeed what they are doing, it's a cheap gimmick to stir audience interest. Not rally a plot twist or development.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:02 am to King George
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And the score was perfectly whimsical.
One Is the Loneliest Number, right?
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:06 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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ord has been shown with the MiB, Teddy, present Maeve and Maeve from the prairie from 1 year ago.
We see Bernard talking to Delores in the room that looks like the room where Teresa was killed but if it were the same room then it was earlier because you can see the table was different, there was no host making machine and the door wasn't blocked by the bookshelf.
Teddy also saw Delores while talking to Maeve in the whorehouse.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:08 am to bouefbengal
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2. Is Fords lab in fact the center of the maze?
I think that door that is now hidden is the entrance to the maze.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:15 am to Merck
quote:See i think that can be taken 2 ways. The other way I think the single time line people see it is that she had been in the park itself when MIB was younger. He hasn't seen her in a long time in the park and shes not the host he meets up with off the train when he gets there. So as far as he knows she was decomissioned but just brought back for the Wyatt story.
And I thought the fact that the host from William's arrival and orientation suddenly being in the park, along with MiB's remark about thinking she'd been "decommissioned by now," would have pretty much settled the idea of 2 timeframes for most people, not to mention the fact that William is MiB. Silly me.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:55 am to Jester
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I think that door that is now hidden is the entrance to the maze.
The center of the maze is pretty clear.
It's in the soul.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:57 am to trux83LSU
Sure it can be taken that way, but then why show us 2 different logos for the park? I've seen timeline deniers explain that away by pointing out real world companies using both logos during a transition. But for a television show it doesn't make any sense to pay someone not only to design 2 separate logos but to also research that neither was trademarked. If the story is being told strictly chronologically, that's a lot of time, effort and money spent on a meaningless detail.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:58 am to TigerstuckinMS
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I think she was simply too good and fixated on figuring things out. Had she stopped at "Theresa's stealing data", I think she'd probably have been left alone. But, I think that the deeper she dug into the corporate espionage, the closer she was getting to something WAY bigger that meant she couldn't be allowed to live. Remember that she discovered that not only was the old console being used to transmit to the older hosts to get data out, but someone had used it under Arnold's name to monkey with the older hosts' code. That might have had something to do with her getting got. Maybe it wasn't Ford that went after her, but it just fits in with the new host Ford was building in secret.
Was it Bernarnold or real Arnold that grabbed Elsie? If Ford was going to delete the memories from Bernarnold, why would he lie to him about never being used to kill before?
Posted on 11/23/16 at 9:04 am to Hot Carl
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MIB's backstory needed more fleshing out. It wasn't convincing as told.
Because he is a host.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 9:10 am to Merck
quote:Yeah I agree with what you are saying. The logo thing was definitely intentional from the get go. I can just see how people would take it both ways.
Sure it can be taken that way, but then why show us 2 different logos for the park? I've seen timeline deniers explain that away by pointing out real world companies using both logos during a transition. But for a television show it doesn't make any sense to pay someone not only to design 2 separate logos but to also research that neither was trademarked. If the story is being told strictly chronologically, that's a lot of time, effort and money spent on a meaningless detail.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 9:13 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Delos, the same company that William and Logan worked for while coming scout the park
Did they ever say Delos specifically?
Posted on 11/23/16 at 9:14 am to cokebottleag
This guy right here...nailed it.
If the park had the clunky, old hosts 30 years ago...and William is supposedly the MiB...why does he interact with nothing but smooth hosts?
This, however, might just be a shitty pothole, because the theory that they're the same person makes sense.
The MiB talks to Lawrence like he knows him well. They're old buddies...and then all the sudden Lawrence is in a story where he's the big shot crime boss in Pariah and ends up on a mission with William?
Couple that with the host from Williams orientation ending in the Wyatt story and him being shocked to see her...I dunno. It makes sense. Things don't happen in a show without significance...so why put her there and have him say the decommissioned line if it didn't mean anything?
I think I've just talked myself into two timeliness.
If the park had the clunky, old hosts 30 years ago...and William is supposedly the MiB...why does he interact with nothing but smooth hosts?
This, however, might just be a shitty pothole, because the theory that they're the same person makes sense.
The MiB talks to Lawrence like he knows him well. They're old buddies...and then all the sudden Lawrence is in a story where he's the big shot crime boss in Pariah and ends up on a mission with William?
Couple that with the host from Williams orientation ending in the Wyatt story and him being shocked to see her...I dunno. It makes sense. Things don't happen in a show without significance...so why put her there and have him say the decommissioned line if it didn't mean anything?
I think I've just talked myself into two timeliness.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 9:27 am to Wanderin Reb
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If the park had the clunky, old hosts 30 years ago...and William is supposedly the MiB...why does he interact with nothing but smooth hosts?
Why does everyone think the hosts had to be clunky 30 years ago? Wild Bill in the basement is clunky because he hasn't been serviced in forever. He's deteriorated beyond repair and is only kept around by Ford out of sentimentality, otherwise he'd have been incinerated. The other times hosts were shown acting spacy and disjointed were all during flashbacks to beta testing before the park opened. The only difference between the old hosts and the new is the synthetic skin.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 9:33 am to cokebottleag
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There is no entrance to the maze that reaches the center of the maze...
The "maze" looks like a native representation of the machines that are used to build the hosts, like the mounds of Poverty Point, The Serpent Mound, etc.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 10:00 am to Jester
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Was it Bernarnold or real Arnold that grabbed Elsie?
The real Arnold would be around Fords age.
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If Ford was going to delete the memories from Bernarnold, why would he lie to him about never being used to kill before?
Maybe he wasn't lying to him. Maybe it was Bernard who killed Elsie on his own for finding out he (Arnold) was writing code to change the hosts. Or maybe Arnold speaks through him the same as the other hosts who hear Arnold's voice, and Arnold told him to kill Elsie.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 10:07 am to Jester
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Did they ever say Delos specifically?
Why would they give that away so soon though? That would be a pretty big revelation that I'm sure they'd want to save for the end of the season to tie everything together. Assuming that theory is correct anyway.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 10:17 am to Jester
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Because he is a host.
But he's been shot multiple times and nothing happened?
Posted on 11/23/16 at 10:26 am to Merck
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Why does everyone think the hosts had to be clunky 30 years ago? Wild Bill in the basement is clunky because he hasn't been serviced in forever.
Ford specifically talked about the problems they originally had with the first hosts. I believe he mentioned repeating themselves and getting stuck in repetitive motions.
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The only difference between the old hosts and the new is the synthetic skin.
Its not just the skin. They are built inside out with synthetic tissue, not just covered with skin.
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