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re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:41 pm to HappyTownTiger
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:41 pm to HappyTownTiger
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I'm confused how the MiB walks into the church at the end of the episode. Isn't the church burned down in present day? Isn't the MiB in present day?
Do we know it happened in real time? She's clearly in a delusional state of mind at this point. Could all be psychological.
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:47 pm to Marciano1
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Do we know it happened in real time? She's clearly in a delusional state of mind at this point. Could all be psychological.
I agree - the Delores POV scenes (generally her alone or with Bernard/Arnold) are, at the bare minimum, to be taken with a grain of salt - an unreliable narrator. At worst, most of it is scrambled, fragmented memories, flashbacks - she's having the android equivalent of PTSD, psychosis with auditory and visual hallucinations.
I question whether she ever directly interacted with Bernard, except when it is clearly in the large maintenance set (the hint here is that she's nude). The private, out of the way sessions between her and Bernard may be her simply remembering/hallucinating Arnold.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:55 pm to Ace Midnight
Where was she when she was interrogated by Ford? I don't remember. Was she clothed then?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:29 pm to Merck
But mauve wasn't a madam for 30 years and I wouldn't question it if it was the same blue dress she starts in dumbass but the thing is for her to be in the cowgirl outfit she had to have found it on the same person on the same trail which is highly unlikely. I mean when she's going back through the loop what is the need to pick up that outfit. Again, the reason I question it is because she doesn't start with it. There's no real reason she has to have that outfit. She is just wearing it in both because the writers knew it would've been too easy to realize different time lines if she wasn't dressed the same. It's a shite point in the shows storytelling
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:46 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
If she meets Lawrence she gets the outfit.
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:56 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Mauve is a color.
What makes you think Dolores got those clothes from some dead person? Dolores lives on a ranch. Is it crazy to think she may have a pair of clothes she keeps in saddlebags or something? I suppose it's no more crazy than holding out hope for something against mounting evidence otherwise.
What makes you think Dolores got those clothes from some dead person? Dolores lives on a ranch. Is it crazy to think she may have a pair of clothes she keeps in saddlebags or something? I suppose it's no more crazy than holding out hope for something against mounting evidence otherwise.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:00 am to Socrates Johnson
What was interesting was Maeve and Hector having sex. Was that actually free will at work?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 2:02 am to prplhze2000
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What was interesting was Maeve and Hector having sex. Was that actually free will at work?
Only the free-est of wills would choose to burn to death.
On an unrelated note: I think Delores's real life massacre of the town with the church/Escalante is the basis for Wyatt and the new narrative. I also think Delores didn't just kill all the hosts but all the human workers that were in the park except Ford.
For everyone thats been clamoring about "how does nobody recognize Bernard as Arnold", if all the workers in the park are killed by Delores and 1)their families notified, or 2)if Ford replicates all the workers after they were killed by Delores, and the parks investors were "more than willing to scrub him from the records" then there would be nobody left in the park to recognize or even know about Arnold except for Ford.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:52 am to ell_13
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Was she clothed then?
No.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:54 am to Socrates Johnson
Well your wrong because no, that's not how Westwood works. On their current loop they will dress the same and will do the same things every time unless thrown off their loop. There appears to be at least 2 time frames with the picture from logan almost assuredly proving it, but it was a lucky hunch by those of you who guessed it and terrible writing by the show. It's like someone bragging about solving a math equation even though they used the wrong steps in finding the answer. There were clues for it, but also clear clues against it that the writers should have fixed but they most likely purposely didn't as to make it not obvious but that's dumb because then it leaves plotholes.
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:02 am to Ace Midnight
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I question whether she ever directly interacted with Bernard, except when it is clearly in the large maintenance set (the hint here is that she's nude). The private, out of the way sessions between her and Bernard may be her simply remembering/hallucinating Arnold.
Honestly, I think the scenes where she is dressed are with Arnold in the remote maintenance facility. I think the fact that she is dressed speaks to Arnold's relationship with the hosts. He sees them more as people than Ford, thus he allows them a modicum of "decency" and modesty.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:03 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Hawgnsincebirth55
You're just resigned to going down with the ship, aren't you?
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:05 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Damn dude, run on sentence much?
There were TONS of clues for multiple timeframes. As discussed countless times before, it looked like a single timeframe due to clever editing. Sorry that you were duped. That was the director's intentions. I'm not aware of any "plotholes" that this has created by showing the Man in Black's past and the evolution of him and other characters.
The biggest thing that I took away from this most recent episode was the backdoor that Bernarnold had written in all of the hosts. I wonder if Maeve, now that she has been retooled by Felix and Sylvester, still contains this backdoor in her core coding or if she is truly free from the control of Ford?
There were TONS of clues for multiple timeframes. As discussed countless times before, it looked like a single timeframe due to clever editing. Sorry that you were duped. That was the director's intentions. I'm not aware of any "plotholes" that this has created by showing the Man in Black's past and the evolution of him and other characters.
The biggest thing that I took away from this most recent episode was the backdoor that Bernarnold had written in all of the hosts. I wonder if Maeve, now that she has been retooled by Felix and Sylvester, still contains this backdoor in her core coding or if she is truly free from the control of Ford?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:06 am to txbd
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Damn dude, run on sentence much?
I decided to edit my post saying much of the same, but yeah. He almost made it to 3 lines on one of them.Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:11 am to Jester
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I think the scenes where she is dressed are with Arnold in the remote maintenance facility.
I haven't discounted this, particularly with the Arnold reveal - in fact, it may be increasingly likely to have been the case. Or at the very least, her memory is mixing up the now with the past and she kind of retreats to these memories for comfort - just not 100% at this point. But your explanation is possible, too. Either at the remote facility or a similar facility near the original town.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:28 am to PowerTool
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Did you watch the first episode? They repair the hosts or retire them, they aren't transferring their "AI" souls from machine to machine.
When you have a major upgrade like moving from a robot to synthetic tissue, they are going to move old hosts over
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:10 am to jeff5891
This show is such a mind frick. I think we all feel like dark helmet at times
Dark Helmet: What the hell am I looking at? When does this happen in the movie?
Colonel Sandurz: Now. You're looking at now, sir. Everything that happens now, is happening now.
Dark Helmet: What happened to then?
Colonel Sandurz: We passed then.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now. We're at now now.
Dark Helmet: Go back to then.
Colonel Sandurz: When?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: Now?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: I can't.
Dark Helmet: Why?
Colonel Sandurz: We missed it.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now.
Dark Helmet: When will then be now?
Colonel Sandurz: Soon.
Dark Helmet: How soon?
Dark Helmet: What the hell am I looking at? When does this happen in the movie?
Colonel Sandurz: Now. You're looking at now, sir. Everything that happens now, is happening now.
Dark Helmet: What happened to then?
Colonel Sandurz: We passed then.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now. We're at now now.
Dark Helmet: Go back to then.
Colonel Sandurz: When?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: Now?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: I can't.
Dark Helmet: Why?
Colonel Sandurz: We missed it.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now.
Dark Helmet: When will then be now?
Colonel Sandurz: Soon.
Dark Helmet: How soon?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:30 am to txbd
I wasn't duped. That's what I'm getting at. I would have noticed if it were clear but as I've stated before in this same thread, there are clues for multiple time frames but there are things that should at the least make it highly highly unlikely if not impossible. I get it, there's multiple time frames. I've agreed to that, but the fact is it wasn't clever editing it was misleading. Her wearing the same clothes in both time frames is evidenced of that. Because she gets the clothes from Lawrence as a previous poster pointed out (I believe it was ell so thank you for reminding me where) and we know from the mib that his new loop starts with at the end of a rope. He no longer is the leader of that town from 30 years ago. So why does she have the same clothes from 30 years ago? How did she get them? I mean I guess you could say she happened to find the exact same outfit on a random stranger since we haven't seen Delores once in the present since teddy went to fight Wyatt, if multiple time frames is true (I'm on the train but still am wondering how they're going to show how she got thrown off her loop the 2nd time)
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:39 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Just because Lawrence doesn't give her the clothes doesn't mean there isn't someone in that role to do it. Hosts take over for other hosts all the time. See Abernathy and Maeve. So just because Lawrence is with MiB doesn't mean she doesn't go to Pariah and get the clothes.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 9:46 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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we know from the mib that his new loop starts with at the end of a rope. He no longer is the leader of that town from 30 years ago. So why does she have the same clothes from 30 years ago? How did she get them? I mean I guess you could say she happened to find the exact same outfit on a random stranger since we haven't seen
There would be a new host replacing Lawrence in his old storyline.
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