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re: Westworld Episode 4: Dissonance Theory

Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:01 pm to
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2. Why do you think McPoyle is an important character?



he is a vehicle for doroles

Plus, I think his brother-in-law or whatever is the MIB's son.

They have a stake in the park so that is why MIB is allowed to run wild.
Posted by Jizzy08
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:02 pm to
She could frick a host that looks like Brad Pitt or Terry Crews (if she's into the BBB) if she really wanted to and that would be more acceptable than inter-office sex with another department head that reminds me of the dad from Sister, Sister. No, if he's a host, then she doesn't know it. If he is, that's strong work on Ford's part.
Posted by Jizzy08
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:04 pm to
I'm interested to see what McPoyle does too. He obviously has strong morals and if the time comes where he has to side with the hosts vs. humans, don't be surprised if he chooses hosts.
Posted by dallastiger55
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:11 pm to
i did think it was odd that McPoyles future bro in law is egging him on to f*ck Deloris. But then again, is that really cheating?
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:21 pm to
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future bro in law


Favorite character in the show.

He is the only one who acts like most would in a park like that. McPoyle is a pussy.

Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:37 pm to
Has the whole McPoyle is in an alternate timeline thing been debunked yet? Starting to wonder if future BIL is the younger man in black and at some point he rapes Dolores, hence their long history together?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:40 pm to
isn't that backwards for her character?

like when MIB rapes her, she doesn't have the ability to fight back, etc. plus that's a memory for her when she's with mcpoyle, right?
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:01 pm to
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Favorite character in the show.

He is the only one who acts like most would in a park like that. McPoyle is a pussy.



He is exactly what you'd a expect a mid-20/early 30s rich kid to do in there. He probably snuck in some blow too
Posted by Jizzy08
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:17 pm to
Minus the bisexual sex with the male hosts
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:43 pm to
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Minus the bisexual sex with the male hosts



Well this wouldn't be HBO if there wasn't gay sex
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:22 pm to
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The show doesn't touch on it, but someone posted a couple of weeks ago an interview with one of the writers. And he talked about, I forget the exact wording but something along the lines of being a "good Samaritan"

If a human was about to incite some sort of violence towards another human, a host would intervene.



There are definitely times when the hosts aren't close enough to do that. Unless they're also pre-cogs, stabbing someone certainly seems possible.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:43 pm to
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i did think it was odd that McPoyles future bro in law is egging him on to f*ck Deloris. But then again, is that really cheating?


As soon as they got off of the train, he told William that his sister (William's fiancee) rode some cowboys when she came to the park.

Plus, you tend to find that when people do "bad" things they want others to do or have done those things so they don't feel like they're the weird one. Seems normal to me.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:05 pm to
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He is the only one who acts like most would in a park like that. McPoyle is a pussy.

I think they both represent each extreme. One sees objects for his amusement and sees no emotional attachment, the other is finding it difficult to remove his normal behavioral responses while interacting with host that seem like a living thinking entity. I think if the park was real you would have people of both extremes. You would also probably have people move from one extreme to the other over time and some serious disagreements on how to behave within the park.
Posted by PapaPogey
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:27 pm to
I thought it was odd when William and his boy were calling the hosts robots in front of their face. Wouldn't that trigger some people like Dolores and Maeve?
Posted by Backinthe615
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:27 pm to
The bucket wheel excavator was a nice touch when Hopkins said "I'm not the sentimenal type".
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:30 pm to
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i did think it was odd that McPoyles future bro in law is egging him on to f*ck Deloris. But then again, is that really cheating?

Not really, Delores ain't human. Ultimate means of getting it out of your system
To the bro-in-law's point of view, this is safe eascapism. You aren't cheating, you aren't killing, you are basically playing a very well made RPG.

I think Bernard is definitely a host, and only Hopkin's character knows it. He's the one Hopkins has pushed into sentience, and he's the one infecting the others. Character has been written with way too much introspection for me to think it otherwise; I think Hopkins created him to think he was aware of hosts, but not that he is one himself. He's the one going down the rabbit hole, and reflecting that on Delores.

Harris is definitely human, he got shot a few times when he shot up the villa. Is he truly up to something, or just playing out his bored, dark fantasy to offset the good things he does in real life?
Maybe he's become aware that he's "infected" with sick and twisted tendencies, due to the complete realism of the park, and the total lack of consequences for anything he does, as long as it's to a host... and his ultimate goal is to break the safeguards, to prevent the continuing immorality it fosters.
*might not be real rape if done against a host, but it could make it easier to get used to doing stuff like that, if the targets are so real, and you don't have any repercussions.

Haven't seen Ep 4 yet, just finished 3rd on demand. But this thread isn't spoiling anything you don't see coming.

Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:09 am to
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What if the guests only think they are "guests" and are actually robots too? Just like every host has a backstory and framework, so it seems does every guest. The MIB on a mission, the poon hound, the super-chivalrous fiancée, the businessman and his wife, etc. Perhaps the MIB is the first one to become self-aware and is trying to find the same "freedom" that Dolores is now seeking. That would explain why the maze is so important to him.


This is a billion dollar park, someone has to be paying for the experience

I think some of y'all are like the coach in The Waterboy, you're thinking on the right kind of path but you're trying so hard at it and it just comes up with an extremely convoluted answer that doesn't really make sense (he fakes the reverse, no he THINKS about faking the reverse.....)
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:31 am to
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Like when MIB rapes her


I think you're wrong about this. That scene in the first episode sets him up as the bad guy and sets Ford up as a good guy, I have my questions that either of those guys fit those roles

Also last week during her rebellion of her loop, she remembers the MIB in the barn about to attack her, he brandished a knife, a knife he would use to scalp her looking for the maze like he did with the card dealer. He went through the oldest hosts looking for one with the next clue, likely because someone had told him a previous clue


Also in the original scene between Delores and the MIB, he doesn't pull a knife out with his fight with teddy so it seems to me they put it in there with a purpose, he didn't need a knife to rape Delores if that's what he was after
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:44 am to
Has to be some significance to Delores being the oldest host.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 7:15 am to
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Has to be some significance to Delores being the oldest host


Isn't the significance that she's the only host that is this far along in acting out? She killed the fly, placed the pistol in the barn somehow and is questioning a ton of shite.

Some may say it's Maeve, but she is only this far because of her being exposed to the outside world below the park first hand and seeing it herself.
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