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re: Westworld Episode 10: The Bicameral Mind. Photos.

Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:33 am to
Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:33 am to
quote:

'm talking the MIB storyline, not the William storyline


Yes so am I. She was reenacting the whole thing by herself, so she changed them at the same time
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 10:56 am
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:36 am to
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Dolores was retracing her journey with William. She was physically there. The interactions, other people, etc.. were not. It was just a mirage of the past.


Jesus dude. Are you grasping at straws? There were many "narrator's" point of views of the show. Nobody was ever arguing this. There were scenes in the past from multiple host being remembered. It was a common theme.

The single time frame people were literally saying William could not be the Mib, they were during the same time period.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:37 am to
quote:

Dolores was retracing her journey with William. She was physically there. The interactions, William, other people, etc.. were not. It was just a mirage of the past

So a flashback... Or in other words, another time frame
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:38 am to
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I was laughing at the fact that the Delos automatics had seemingly unlimited ammo. What a bunch of scrubs on security detail that they couldn't take out 2 dipshits shooting from the hip


While I agree the security was weak, the hosts are not dipshits shooting from the hip.

They are super strong robots with precision accuracy. They don't need to hold guns like humans do to control and aim them.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:40 am to
even that theory has holes

she was clearly in town when MIB showed up for his maze journey

she is a central character and had other interactions in the "present" involving Mauve (like one, maybe 2 Hector shootouts)

so she just wanders off for a few days and the ops people don't realize it or do anything about it? that's a stretch, imho
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85311 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:42 am to
I agree with that last part. It seems a lot was going on that the ops people should have picked up on. Or are we supposed to assume that they were assuming it had all to do with Fords new story? Which is actually true.
Posted by LSUGlory16
Mville
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:42 am to
So the girl with the red snake tattoo is gonna be so vital to season 2 that after the credits they had to show her shooting her arm off??? Insert Jacksonville Jags dude gif
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:42 am to
So what happened to Thor's brother?

They just kinda forgot about him.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85311 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:43 am to
I didn't read that much into. Just ending it on a "badass" scene.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:44 am to
Well if Ford wanted her to have her "awakening" I'm sure he could find a way to have her wander off by herself without it being a big deal
Posted by Puck82
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:47 am to
And we're not arguing narrators now.

quote:

There were scenes in the past from multiple host being remembered. It was a common theme.


You don't say.

quote:

The single time frame people were literally saying William could not be the Mib, they were during the same time period.


And that argument was found to be false. It has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

All the interactions between Teddy and MIB pointed to her being out of her loop with William. In a way she was with William, but in memory only. She was physically by herself.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15761 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:48 am to
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so she just wanders off for a few days and the ops people don't realize it or do anything about it? that's a stretch, imho


Thors brother made a note of this in episode three or four and asked for them to check if she was with a new comer. since ford is notified of pretty much everything, all he has to do is say she is acting out the new narrative.

You're trying to overthink this instead of finding the simplest answer
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85311 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:49 am to
Didn't we find out in Williams montage that they had gone through that journey a few times together? Like he was hoping that he could find a way for her to be real.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85311 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:52 am to
Yes. She was by herself while the MIB was looking for her/the center. And we were seeing flashbacks of her time with William. That's exactly how people explained the 2 timeframes. Are you confused?
Posted by Puck82
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23650 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:06 am to


No. Not confused. Saying both were correct in their own right.

From Dolores POV you have multiple time frames if you count the flashbacks. Dolores by herself and Dolores actually with William.

From Teddy POV you have one time frame for Dolores. Dolores retracing her trip with William by herself.

This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 11:13 am
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:12 am to
It doesn't matter whose point of view we saw it through. We were clearly seeing separate events across two different points in time, and lots of people here flat out denied that it was possible. They were wrong and no rationalizing you are doing can change that.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:16 am to
quote:

It doesn't matter whose point of view we saw it through. We were clearly seeing separate events across two different points in time, and lots of people here flat out denied that it was possible. They were wrong and no rationalizing you are doing can change that


Yup
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66523 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:26 am to
Remember when purple haze called me stupid for not thinking that Bernard and the dead guy at Escalante were the same?

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85311 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:28 am to
That's racist.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15584 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:42 am to
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Going forward without Hopkins will be tough. Losing that character and the way he played it (perfectly) will be missed.


He did a great job in playing a huge piece of shite. Look at the difference the way him and Arnold went out. Arnold tries to make his point by killing hosts and himself. Ford looks like he might take out everyone currently on the island to try and make the same point as Arnold. I don't think that is why he did it though, I don't think he learned the lesson Arnold was trying to teach him. I think he did it because he knew they were kicking him out of his baby and this was his little bitch fit to kill everyone and make it so bad no one else could run the park after him.

I am definitely with some of ya'll, I am scared where this show will head. I could see them following a survivor or group of survivors trying to fight their way out, kinda take a page from the movie that way. Also the story of the hosts learning to deal with what they have done. Honestly, I would rather have a show with the park up and running and have the day to day shenanigans of guests that come and go. Stuff more like the William and Logan crazy shite when they first showed up.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 11:44 am
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