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Was MASH the original DEI show??
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:15 am
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:15 am
I've watched the series since a kid in the 70s. Having TVLand on in the background and being perked up with today's political rhetoric made me wonder. MASH today had 3 episodes that would offend everyone today. Gunsmoke is on now, no DEI
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Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:17 am to BWHLSU
You people have melted your god damn brains.
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:23 am to Dr RC
For real. There’s still time to delete this.
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:24 am to BWHLSU
I Love Lucy was based on a mixed race marriage.
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:24 am to Dr RC
Hold up, talk through this lol
When's the last time y'all have watched MASH? And I'm not talking about Klinger. Ever.
When's the last time y'all have watched MASH? And I'm not talking about Klinger. Ever.
This post was edited on 8/21/26 at 11:27 am
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:33 am to BWHLSU
So not Star Trek?
Even All in the Family used a stereotypical character to confront racism, sexism, antisemitism, and other prejudices for the viewing audience. I think it came out a year before MASH.
Even All in the Family used a stereotypical character to confront racism, sexism, antisemitism, and other prejudices for the viewing audience. I think it came out a year before MASH.
This post was edited on 8/21/26 at 11:35 am
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:44 am to BWHLSU
Yep, the character of "Spear Chucker" was written off pretty quickly
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:50 am to Willie Stroker
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Even All in the Family used a stereotypical character to confront racism, sexism, antisemitism, and other prejudices for the viewing audience.
And the delicious part was that, to Norman Lear’s utter disgust , Archie Bunker became a folk hero Because of his frank gruff nature and unrepentant attitude.
Posted on 8/21/26 at 11:55 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Yep, the character of "Spear Chucker" was written off pretty quickly
FWIW, I read that was because it was pointed out after the first season that there were no black surgeons in Korea. So, either the technical advisor tripped on his own pecker, or someone was looking to get rid of the character.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
Posted on 8/21/26 at 12:14 pm to DesScorp
They were lampooning Archie as an uneducated bigot and all that. But they messed that up to an extent, whether intentionally or not. Archie was the responsible guy who worked to support his family, while the well-educated, open-minded Mike was basically a deadbeat.
Posted on 8/21/26 at 1:08 pm to BWHLSU
The central cast was all white and all straight.
Posted on 8/21/26 at 1:20 pm to BWHLSU
MASH went downhill the more Alan Alda asserted himself both creatively and politically. It was a good show in spite of him, not because of him, but he is too much of an insufferable prick to realize this.
Posted on 8/21/26 at 1:45 pm to AUFANATL
Winchester was gay in real life. BJ was queer on the show.
Hot take, Frank and Potter was funnier than Frank and Blake
Hot take, Frank and Potter was funnier than Frank and Blake
Posted on 8/21/26 at 1:57 pm to BWHLSU
I watch MASH but I do roll my eyes at times... This episode still airs with the wrong facts of the topic Hawkeye talks about...
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The scene you are remembering is from the Season 2 episode "Dear Dad... Three" (Season 2, Episode 9), where Hawkeye discusses African-American pioneering physician Dr. Charles Drew with a racist soldier.Instead of an emergency room denial, Hawkeye and Trapper trick a bigoted sergeant (who demanded "the right color blood") by tinting his skin. Hawkeye then tells him the true story of Dr. Charles Drew—the brilliant African-American surgeon who revolutionized blood plasma storage and large-scale blood banks—and notes that Dr. Drew tragically died in 1950 following a car accident after being taken to a hospital (a common urban legend often misconstrued as him being denied care due to race, though historical accounts clarify he received emergency treatment for his severe crash injuries but could not be saved).
Posted on 8/21/26 at 2:00 pm to BWHLSU
It began as overage fratboy doctors drink and get laid in between surgeries
But that didn't sit right w/Alda. As the show got more popular and he became more popular, he took more control of the show. Per director Jackie Cooper, AA would not shoot the original ending of "The Sniper" (the sniper is killed), & insisted a new ending (sniper is wounded, surrenders, & Hawkeye patches him up) be written on the set.
But if you must have one turning point, it can be narrowed down not to one season, or one episode, or even one scene, but one shot:
"The Late Captain Pierce"
s4 e4
A bureaucratic mistake leaves the army thinking that Hawkeye Pierce is dead, and he simultaneously enjoys the lack of responsibility that comes from being legally deceased, with trying to contact his father back in Maine to tell him he's still alive.
But that didn't sit right w/Alda. As the show got more popular and he became more popular, he took more control of the show. Per director Jackie Cooper, AA would not shoot the original ending of "The Sniper" (the sniper is killed), & insisted a new ending (sniper is wounded, surrenders, & Hawkeye patches him up) be written on the set.
But if you must have one turning point, it can be narrowed down not to one season, or one episode, or even one scene, but one shot:
"The Late Captain Pierce"
s4 e4
A bureaucratic mistake leaves the army thinking that Hawkeye Pierce is dead, and he simultaneously enjoys the lack of responsibility that comes from being legally deceased, with trying to contact his father back in Maine to tell him he's still alive.
quote:After that moment, MASH would never again be the same show. Guilt-ridden liberalism will be the rule from this point on, and the anarchic rebellion will fade away.
Captain Pratt (Eldon Quick), who promises to fix the error, but the paperwork is voluminous and the protocol involved is time-consuming. In the meantime Pierce, with no money or mail, will have to remain, in Pratt's words, an "unperson." In a fit of anger, Hawkeye decides to accept his fate and desert as a suppositious cadaver; despite Digger's protest that he can't take passengers, Hawkeye climbs on board Digger's cadaver bus and prepares to leave saying, "I'm not a passenger, I'm cargo." As a deluge of wounded arrive, B.J. attempts to dissuade Hawkeye from leaving, but citing Trapper and Henry's respective departures, Hawkeye argues that the wounded will keep coming whether he's there or not. The bus drives off, but stops just outside camp in front of Rosie's Bar; Hawkeye grudgingly climbs out the back door and walks back to camp
Posted on 8/21/26 at 2:04 pm to CU_Tigers4life
quote:the cast was too big and pruned to give more camera time to Alda
Yep, the character of "Spear Chucker" was written off pretty quickly
Thought showrunner Larry Gelbart claimed the character was eliminated b/c there were no black doctors in Korea (which is inaccurate)
Posted on 8/21/26 at 2:06 pm to Cleathecat
quote:probably the most inaccurate claim ever posted on this board
Frank and Potter was funnier than Frank and Blake
Posted on 8/21/26 at 2:19 pm to Epaminondas
quote:Norman Lear made the decision at the start that Archie would not be just a witless punching bag (as Frank Burns was on MASH). So Archie was allowed to get in zingers dissing the welfare state and social permissiveness -- though of course always getting his comeuppance in the end,
They were lampooning Archie as an uneducated bigot and all that. But they messed that up to an extent, whether intentionally or not. Archie was the responsible guy who worked to support his family, while the well-educated, open-minded Mike was basically a deadbeat.
What no one said aloud (although CBS bigwig Fred Silverman admitted it later) was that half the country agreed w/Archie, and was desperate to hear someone, anyone, criticize the cultural ruling class, even if he had to eat his words in the final scene
Posted on 8/21/26 at 2:36 pm to Brosef Stalin
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I Love Lucy was based on a mixed race marriage.
But Ricky was a staunch anti-communist.
So he’s good.
Posted on 8/21/26 at 2:58 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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The central cast was all white and all straight.
That's true. And the scripts
Hey, I'm one of us. But man, some of it makes your ears perk up
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