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re: Waco - the FBI should be razed to the ground
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:32 pm to Pesticide
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:32 pm to Pesticide
quote:You really bought in on this, huh?
Pesticide
None of this requires a dynamic entry, no knock raid on a compound filled with women and children.
What you are looking at is grenade bodies (practice)
Which is what they were purchasing. Which are then made into novelty items like the following (which you sell at gun shows);
You are not going to convert them into an actual grenade with black powder. Please tell me you do not believe that.
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:46 pm to brmark70816
quote:They were armed to the same extent that the ATF were. They were able to fight the ATF to a draw.
They were obviously heavily armed and were modifying weapons. They defeated the assault soundly.
quote:Patently false. The warrant was flimsy at best. And they were invited by David Koresh to examine the property. The ATF refused.
As a weapons dealer they were subject to direct inquiries by the ATF. The warrants have never been shown to be unjust or speculation.
quote:They possessed the means to defend themselves and used it.
They were prepared to fight to the death.
quote:This is entirely speculation on your part. There is ample evidence that the ATF fired first and the Davidians defended themselves. You simply disregard it for the sake of your narrative.
They ignored a court order and opened fire. They openly attacked US agents. The ATF had the legal right to go in and be there.
quote:Falsehoods and mistruths. Through and through. Well done.
Then why were they investigated so many times. Why did local law enforcement track them so closely. Why were there numerous articles depicting them as loons and calling for the government to step in, state or federal.
quote:All while sitting on their compound not harming anyone. Yes, that is exactly what happened.
They went to war with the government. They boxed themselves in and wished for death. Then many commited suicide. They forced a resolution.
quote:There you have it. They were evil and they deserved it.
Of course the agencies f'd up. Its all recorded and they took huge black eyes. Tactics have been changed and corrected as a result. They could have and should have done many things differently. But the BDs were evil and committing evil acts. Something had to be done. Them dying and the agencies messing up doesn't exonerate them at all..
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:56 pm to Pesticide
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It's against the law. Doesn't have to be any harm. I could snort coke all day and make the same arguement but again, it's against the law.
The problem with the illegal weapons is the feds made it real hard for anyone to take their word on it. They didn't let the defense inspect their evidence for the trial and when they let them see some of it some of the things they labeled as suppressors were ordinary items and some of the things they labeled as grenades were their own CS gas canisters they didn't admit they even used until like 1999. Yes, it is proven through testimony that they lied about using these canisters for years before they did in front of Congress. The Feds made it real hard for anyone to believe any of the shite they said about the event. Kinda like how the Texas Rangers found bullet casings at Lon Horiuchi's location after the April 19th ending of the seige and then the FBI who claimed they never fired a shot on April 19th was like oh the ATF must of left it, when the ATF didn't use that location for the original February raid when they were actually firing shots.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:15 am to Dam Guide
This is a weird thread. Binged it. I'm interested in reading more into it. Hard to remember everything back then.
Felt like Netflix made the cult too likeable. You could tell early that the entire skew of the show would be about the big bad government. In this day, it resonates with folks.
At times I thought they made Nesser a puss sometimes. He NEVER offered any additional strategy aside from talk and unlimited time. That's not practical. Yes, I understand that's his job and that's what he does but still
The entire thing was a cluster frick. Operation went sideways. Fire was incidental and obviously unplanned but should have been foreseen as a possibility.
All together I liked the series. Very entertaining.
Felt like Netflix made the cult too likeable. You could tell early that the entire skew of the show would be about the big bad government. In this day, it resonates with folks.
At times I thought they made Nesser a puss sometimes. He NEVER offered any additional strategy aside from talk and unlimited time. That's not practical. Yes, I understand that's his job and that's what he does but still
The entire thing was a cluster frick. Operation went sideways. Fire was incidental and obviously unplanned but should have been foreseen as a possibility.
All together I liked the series. Very entertaining.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:00 pm to More&Les
frick this. I’m going to riot Chip and Joanna‘s house after watching this bullshite. Chip and Joanna need to realize they’re white privilege in Waco.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:17 pm to NOSA
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Yes get very angry at present day for something people were responsible for 26 years ago
Yeah...the FBI would never abuse the rights of American citizens today
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