re: True Detective S4 Season Long Thread

Did Hank agree to kill Danvers and the Engineer or just the engineer? I rewatched and still not sure .

Rose is a spirit????? frick

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Did Hank agree to kill Danvers and the Engineer or just the engineer? I rewatched and still not sure .

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Just Otis, and not even kill him. To let him kill himself. Hank made it clear “I’m not a killer”

Just a note, HBO has the worst streaming service by far of any around. They have surpassed ESPN in shite quality.
My wife has been trying to watch the most recent episode since yesterday and it just won’t play. Ridiculous.

I dont have problems with their streaming, but their library has gone to complete shite.

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? I don't know. It just seems like a small bit of a leap to say that him raising the gun in an attempt to kill danvers was done simply as a cataylst to get his son to kill him.

What?

His confession about Annie K should have sealed any doubt. He doesn't confess to "just moving the body" if he thinks he's living.

He did suicide via cop, which is the issue, when he could have just...done suicide.

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I just rewatched this scene again and paused it and rewound it and watched it again, and I think you're misreading it. (Largely due to the writing--you shouldn't have to rewind and watch 3 or 4 times to pick up on these things). So the scene in the police department before Hank knocks and Danvers goes to get Otis, we find out:

1. Connelly knows Wheeler wasn't a murder-sucicide

2. Danvers suspects Hank told Connelly and asked him if he talked to him

3. Pete left his computer out and the password to it was his son's--Hank's grandson's birthday

4. Pete figured out since the gunshot that killed Wheeler was to his right temple, it couldn't have been him since he was left-handed. Which didn't make sense because all the blows to the woman's face were from right-to-left, by a right-handed punch. Which leads him to figure out that the pictures had been flipped to match the gun-shot being on the right-side. So at this point Pete knows Danvers and/or Navarro killed him, doctored the pictures, destroyed the rest of the evidence, and blamed it on being lost in the flood. BUT, he was ok with it because he knew they had gone to that house 10 times and knew Wheeler deserved it.

5. Pete was pissed at Hank because he knew that he had broken into his computer, figured out what Pete had figured out about Danver and Navarro killing Wheeler and told Connelly.

6. Hank followed Danvers and Otis to her house with the intent on killing them both. He couldn't "pick up" Otis and have him "disappear" without Danvers knowing he killed him. She knew too much about Hank anyway. That's why he grabbed her gun so fast. She had no weapon, so he could have walked Otis out and left Danvers alive, but that was never the plan. So he shot and killed him in the house. Which meant he had to kill Danvers now. "Like you did Wheeler"--he was going to make it look like a murder-suicide or murder-murder, leaving Danvers and Otis dead with no one knowing he'd ever been there.

7. But he didn't expect Pete to be there. Pete comes in and asks what's going on. Hank said you've got to help me move the body, son. I need your help, etc...But why did he think his good, innocent son would help his dad who he had just cussed out 2 scenes before? Maybe because he'd done it before I think Pete helped Hank move Annie K's body. But that's not all...

8. Danvers keeps telling Pete to "think, think Pete" over and over. On 1st watch, I think we're supposed to think she's telling him to think about how killing your dad would make you feel, you don't want to be riddled with that for the rest of your life, etc..." But the way she keeps repeating it, I think she was telling him to think about what is going right here. Look at the the entire picture. There's no way all 3 of us are making it out of this alive. Somebody's going to die. And it needs to be Hank. So she gives him permission in a way, when we think she's trying to talk him out of it.

9. Hank is not stupid. He realizes he's in a pickle. He knows either he is getting shot or Danvers is. So he makes his "death bed confession" that "you should know, I didn't kill Annie K, I just moved her body." Only, he's looking directly at Danvers when he says it. But why? Wouldn't he want to tell his son that before he died, that he didn't kill that poor girl? That his dad, as big a piece of shite as he might have been, didn't do THAT? So why direct that at Danvers? Unless it's because Pete already knew. And how did Pete know? Because Pete killed Annie K.

10. So Hank tells Danvers he moved Annie's body, but doesn't confess to killing her. Sure, he could be lying, but why lie if he's committing suicide by cop? Maybe because he thinks Pete will think that Danvers will believe that and continue Annie's murder investigation. And the "Remember, Peter, blood is blood" is a last ditch effort to try to sway his son to let him kill Danvers. Like I said, Hank knows he's in a pickle. And he knows Pete might shoot him. But he's holding out hope he won't and will let him kill Danvers. So he raises his gun. Oops--he was wrong.

tl;dr--Pete killed Annie K and him and Hank moved her body. Why? I have no idea. May have something to do with Pete's wife.


Or I could be totally wrong and the writing is just as shite as we all've been thinking.

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Rose is a spirit????? frick

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Nah, man

She supposedly has interactions with spirits, but she is an actual character

IIRC, Navarro AND Danvers were both present when she stated that Rust’s dad led her to the bodies

The scene with Hank, Danvers, and Pete could have been part of an interesting plot/story, if there ever existed any semblance of coherency

Stupid show is stupid

I knew Hank was in on it when he was texting on his phone at the crime scene in episode 1. His son was on his phone too later in the show at another crime scene. They’re definitely in on it. And Danvers is an idiot for not calling that shite out in real time.
I did think Navarros frick buddy was the killer but that’s looking less and less likely.

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I just rewatched this scene again and paused it and rewound it and watched it again, and I think you're misreading it. (Largely due to the writing--you shouldn't have to rewind and watch 3 or 4 times to pick up on these things). So the scene in the police department before Hank knocks and Danvers goes to get Otis, we find out:

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You are overthinking this... Although your thinking and theories are solid, to give credit to the writers that they put this much thought into things is insane.

No way they thought through all of those things when they threw the dart at the wall or spun the wheel to come up with the next plot.

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So we can conclude that the others a) know “of” a Rose b) definitely know Rose c) Navarro has “hallucinated” and maybe even pretended to be Rose.

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Honestly don't give the writers/director credit they would even think this ahead.

Like my callout about the Potergeist scene. We see it from an outsider/3rd party perspective(him rising up in the background while Navarro is looking down the hall), where is if it was a hallucination, we should be seeing it solely from Navarro's perspective.