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re: True Detective: S2E8 "Omega Station" (Spoilers)
Posted on 8/11/15 at 3:51 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 8/11/15 at 3:51 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Yup. Damn, never caught that the first time around.
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 4:16 pm to STLhog
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how would they have tailed him?
The Mexican gang answered that question in the desert - the Armenians got the firepower Frank ordered from the Mexicans. So they knew something was going on (maybe even that Frank was the ultimate buyer) and just had to watch the bakery to see who showed up.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 4:54 pm to TigerinSoCal
I think that the last scenes portrayed Frank going to Hell and going to Heaven. I think that we saw some of the supernatural elements present in season 1 show up in the final of this season.
For Frank, it was being tormented by his demons on his way to Hell. Where he died was a perfect representation of hell. Desolate, hot, and separated from everyone.
For Ray, it was Heaven opening up to him as he looked up to the Redwoods during his last stand. He knew that he was redeemed and the fact that his message to his son did not go through did not matter. He was ready to to go to the next life.
The last few episodes led to this. Ray was searching for redemption. Frank only wanted revenge. Both roads led to the end of their time on this earth but the difference is where they were going to spend eternity. Ray sacrificing himself for Ani (and his unborn child) is what saved his eternal soul.
For Frank, it was being tormented by his demons on his way to Hell. Where he died was a perfect representation of hell. Desolate, hot, and separated from everyone.
For Ray, it was Heaven opening up to him as he looked up to the Redwoods during his last stand. He knew that he was redeemed and the fact that his message to his son did not go through did not matter. He was ready to to go to the next life.
The last few episodes led to this. Ray was searching for redemption. Frank only wanted revenge. Both roads led to the end of their time on this earth but the difference is where they were going to spend eternity. Ray sacrificing himself for Ani (and his unborn child) is what saved his eternal soul.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:55 pm to mark65mc
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Ray sacrificing himself for Ani (and his unborn child) is what saved his eternal soul.
That's a bit of a stretch. He looked up at the redwoods before he was shot. He jumped out in a suicide by gunfight moment, so I doubt any pearly gates opened to him.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:23 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
He was already dead. The second he took the Laurel Canyon exit to see Chad one last time guaranteed that. Whether or not he jumped out from behind the tree or stayed there and cowered I don't think makes any difference. He wasn't a depressed person who put a noose around his neck or out a barrel in his mouth. He was in checkmate. That was not suicide. That was choosing to not be tortured prior to being killed.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 4:12 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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There is no possible way Frank could have come back hard against anyone. His only loyal guy was out the country with his old lady. Everyone else had been bought off. Even the Greek/Lebanese guys where he got the papers and guns had apparently sold him out to the Mexicans.
Really, no possible way? You don't think Frank who built himself up from nothing couldn't do it again? Really? The point still stands, he didn't have to die he chose to. They were leaving.
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The Mexicans didn't pop out of nowhere
Debatable. It's possible they sold him out. It's also possible the Mexicans were way more involved as evidenced by the shot of them at the Mayors inauguration.
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Jesus, people bitching about the show, for the most part just missed a lot of what was going on. The show was a step back from season one, no doubt. It was not bad enough o merit all the bitching and whining that the pseudo intellectuals are doing on here.
What the frick are you talking about? Where did I compare the first season? It you read my posts, I said I liked this season but the last episode was a stinker for the most part. What did I miss since you're so in the know? Talk about a pseudo intellectual. Now please come back with a response of a teenager.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:49 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Seems like a lot of people watched it with an eye towards tearing it down and showing how it falls short of last season. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
You can go back and read my posts from the begining of the season, I didnt do that. I wanted to give it a chance, I wanted to like it, and the 3 episodes leading up to the finale gave me some hope then they shite the bed.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:00 am to lsuhunt555
Just watched the finale last night. If I questioned all of the bullshite some of the people in here do for every TV show/movie I watched, I would be grumpy as hell. I liked the season. Not stunning television, but a show that is definitely more interesting than most of what's out there. The last 4 episodes really salvaged it.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:17 am to Sho Nuff
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Really, no possible way? You don't think Frank who built himself up from nothing couldn't do it again? Really? The point still stands, he didn't have to die he chose to. They were leaving.
They were leaving him in the middle of nowhere. Frank wasn't making it back to the city alive either way. The million in the suitcase 'bought him something' which was to not get a bullet in the head and be buried out there like the original plan. They wouldn't give him a ride and then they went for one last insult to have him strip. Frank choose to die in the suit rather than give over the 3.5 million in diamonds and die in his underwear.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 3:42 pm to ashy larry
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They were leaving him in the middle of nowhere. Frank wasn't making it back to the city alive either way. The million in the suitcase 'bought him something' which was to not get a bullet in the head and be buried out there like the original plan. They wouldn't give him a ride and then they went for one last insult to have him strip. Frank choose to die in the suit rather than give over the 3.5 million in diamonds and die in his underwear.
This is how I saw it too.
His question said it all - something to the effect of "A million doesn't get me a ride back to town?" - which to me was like saying, "you just took a million off me and while I appreciate you not shooting me in the head, you're just gonna leave me here to die a slow death in the desert?" The response was the added insult about the suit to which Frank simply said F that, I ain't going out that way and letting you have an added bonus of $3.5 million in diamonds.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 3:48 pm to TigerinSoCal
Why does everyone assume he was dead if he didn't get a ride back?
I understand it's the desert, but couldnt you just walk one direction long enough and see another lifeform/way to contact someone before you died of heat exhaustion / dehydration?
He'd have 3 days before he died, I think that's plenty of time to get back to some kind of signs of life.
I understand it's the desert, but couldnt you just walk one direction long enough and see another lifeform/way to contact someone before you died of heat exhaustion / dehydration?
He'd have 3 days before he died, I think that's plenty of time to get back to some kind of signs of life.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 8/12/15 at 4:07 pm to musick
quote:The camera panned back and showed him lying on the desert floor while he (his spirit?) was talking with his girlfriend.
Why does everyone assume he was dead if he didn't get a ride back?
He's dead.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 4:13 pm to musick
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I understand it's the desert, but couldnt you just walk one direction long enough and see another lifeform/way to contact someone before you died of heat exhaustion / dehydration?
I mean it did not take them very long to get the desert and it did not take Colin very long to get to the red woods. It probably was only a 5 minute walk to the high way.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 4:20 pm to L.A.
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The camera panned back and showed him lying on the desert floor while he (his spirit?) was talking with his girlfriend.
He's dead.
No, I know he's dead, I meant the countless number of people that have pretty much stated it as fact that "if he doesn't get that ride" he dies in the desert anyway..because you know, it's a desert. he had to ask for that ride to live, yada yada
I'm saying he could have just walked the frick back, if he finds some sign of life in 3 days he's good, he didn't have to ask for that ride.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 8/12/15 at 4:39 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yup. Damn, never caught that the first time around.
That was very strident of them.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 5:04 pm to musick
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He'd have 3 days before he died
Not in the dessert. I know it's an odd situation, but that French couple died in a few hours last week in New Mexico and they had a little bit of water on them. Frank could have been 20+ miles from anything. Many people wouldn't make that walk even if they were clothed and hydrated.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 5:07 pm to Dire Wolf
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It probably was only a 5 minute walk to the high way.
Go back and watch the scene again. They show a overview of the area which appears to be a large area of nothing. They were obviously trying to show that they were in the middle of nowhere. The writer/director could have filmed that scene in a warehouse in the city if they weren't trying to show that Frank had no options.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:48 pm to rebeloke
It was a cluster the first several episodes but I liked season 2. I've been a fan of Pizzolatto since I read his book Galveston a few years ago. He's a damn good writer. He took his fair share and well deserved lumps this season but I think he has huge potential.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:13 pm to musick
quote:Yeah, absolutely. Without the knife injury he gets back to the highway no problem.
No, I know he's dead, I meant the countless number of people that have pretty much stated it as fact that "if he doesn't get that ride" he dies in the desert anyway..because you know, it's a desert. he had to ask for that ride to live, yada yada
I'm saying he could have just walked the frick back, if he finds some sign of life in 3 days he's good, he didn't have to ask for that ride.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:14 pm to ashy larry
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Seems like Burris and Tony Cessani had ties to the Mexicans.
Possible but I don't think the picture of the gang leaders at the swearing in ceremony shows that. Could just as easily, and to me more likely, indicate that with Frank and the Russians out of the way, and the Mexican gang one million richer, that the Mexican gang had risen to take their place and fill that void (likely re-opening the card room and the nightclub in temporary locations while new places are being built).
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