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re: True Detective: S2E8 "Omega Station" (Spoilers)
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:33 pm to TigerinSoCal
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:33 pm to TigerinSoCal
Sorry if this has been discussed, I may have missed a page or three when the thread kind of blew up, but:
Does anybody think that Frank ever really had much of a desire to go straight at any point? I think he was feeding this girlfriend that and maybe trying to tell himself that but I think the gangster stuff was pretty much in his blood and I don't think he really wanted to get out of it.
Does anybody think that Frank ever really had much of a desire to go straight at any point? I think he was feeding this girlfriend that and maybe trying to tell himself that but I think the gangster stuff was pretty much in his blood and I don't think he really wanted to get out of it.
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Posted on 8/13/15 at 3:47 am to musick
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Why does everyone assume he was dead if he didn't get a ride back?
I understand it's the desert, but couldnt you just walk one direction long enough and see another lifeform/way to contact someone before you died of heat exhaustion / dehydration?
He'd have 3 days before he died, I think that's plenty of time to get back to some kind of signs of life.
Nope, he had to die because that's what Tiger Droppings posters said
That's what I'm saying too, he could have lived. We don't know how far they were nor do we know he wouldn't have made it. We also don't know if they were going to shoot him or not. To me it looked like the million bought him his life and they were leaving his arse. Maybe he figured he couldn't make it out and that's why he pushed their button. Pizzo should have just had them shoot him after getting the money because it seemed pretty dumb the way Frank went out. Why not take the chance to walk and possibly live?
Posted on 8/13/15 at 10:30 am to L.A.
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The camera panned back and showed him lying on the desert floor while he (his spirit?) was talking with his girlfriend.
That's after being stabbed. The question was about him dying without getting stabbed.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 10:34 am to Galactic Inquisitor
I dont think the important question is could he have made it back without being stabbed. Its would they have stabbed him had he not attacked the guy?
Posted on 8/13/15 at 12:08 pm to TigerinSoCal
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Possible but I don't think the picture of the gang leaders at the swearing in ceremony shows that. Could just as easily, and to me more likely, indicate that with Frank and the Russians out of the way, and the Mexican gang one million richer, that the Mexican gang had risen to take their place and fill that void (likely re-opening the card room and the nightclub in temporary locations while new places are being built).
I think it's pretty open to be taken either way. But there is a lot of evidence to support the fact that these Mexicans were bigger than we initially thought and probably had a connection to Burris.
- Burris used Irina Rulfo to setup Ledo Amarilla. That gunfight made it seem that Ledo wasn't some low level pimp. Burris couldn't have just set up Ledo like that without some backing or protection.
- The mexicans are easily able to find Irina Rulfo and are the ones that allowed Frank to briefly talk on the phone to her.
- The mexicans killed Irina before Frank could question her in person. They claim their reasoning was b/c she talked to a cop (Burris).
- Frank is picked up and brought to grave site in the desert minutes after leaving the armenians' bakery.
- The mexicans tell frank they supply the armenians.
Possiblity #1 - Mexicans were nobodies that took the place of Frank and the russians once they were out of the way.
Possibilty #2 - Mexicans were the ones helping Tony Chessani and Burris all along. They supplied franks guns (and/or drugs) to the armenians so it's safe to assume the Armenians choose to back their supplier over backing frank as he skips town.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 3:00 pm to ashy larry
Good points, I'm thinking #2 is more likely. Frank didn't give much credit to the Mexicans for reasons that weren't obvious to me, but they were clearly big time players.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 3:04 pm to musick
quote:I think if Frank thought he wasn't dead, he wouldn't have done what he did knowing it would ensure his death.
Why does everyone assume he was dead if he didn't get a ride back?
Posted on 8/13/15 at 4:43 pm to ashy larry
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Go back and watch the scene again. They show a overview of the area which appears to be a large area of nothing. They were obviously trying to show that they were in the middle of nowhere. The writer/director could have filmed that scene in a warehouse in the city if they weren't trying to show that Frank had no options.
I just pointing out that everything was just a quick drive from LA.
One person is in the middle of the desert and the other is in the middle of the redwoods on the same day that we were together earlier.
Just one of the many things that someone should stop them at some point and said this is too much. Part of appeal to the first season was they did a pretty good job of putting you in this seedy version of Louisiana, without making New Orleans Shreveport drives in an hour. They seemed to have better grip of the location.
This post was edited on 8/13/15 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 8/13/15 at 4:52 pm to ashy larry
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Not in the dessert. I know it's an odd situation, but that French couple died in a few hours last week in New Mexico and they had a little bit of water on them. Frank could have been 20+ miles from anything. Many people wouldn't make that walk even if they were clothed and hydrated.
God Damn it, Clark Griswold would have made it...
Posted on 8/13/15 at 7:24 pm to shel311
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I think if Frank thought he wasn't dead, he wouldn't have done what he did knowing it would ensure his death.
Exactly. In this case, I think we can trust that Frank knew how to read the tea leaves correctly.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 7:37 pm to Walking the Earth
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I think we can trust that Frank knew how to read the tea leaves correctly.
sounds like something frank would say
Posted on 8/13/15 at 10:25 pm to ashy larry
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Possiblity #1 - Mexicans were nobodies that took the place of Frank and the russians once they were out of the way.
Possibilty #2 - Mexicans were the ones helping Tony Chessani and Burris all along. They supplied franks guns (and/or drugs) to the armenians so it's safe to assume the Armenians choose to back their supplier over backing frank as he skips town.
You points supporting #2 make a lot of sense. And considered in light of those previous events, showing the Mexicans in the picture of the swearing in could very well be the "big reveal" - here's the real players.
But if that's the case it just underscores what many here have said about weak story telling and character development. So while I thought the show was entertaining if not silly and unbelievable at points, I must join with others here who have been critical of the show. Too many characters and interconnections that were barely explained, too little character development and if the Mexicans were the big twist, very weak as we hardly saw them and certainly weren't "vested" in those characters. In fact, at least for the time being Tony is the big winner and we saw him in what, one scene? Absolutely no connection to that character or to Burris (who also had very little screen time) for that matter.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 10:36 pm to crash1211
Let's be honest, Frank Semyon was no Clark Griswold.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 10:39 pm to Dire Wolf
I agree. It brought me back to watching 24 when Jack Bauer could make it from one side of L. A. to the other during a 2 minute commercial break.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:24 am to Dire Wolf
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I just pointing out that everything was just a quick drive from LA.
One person is in the middle of the desert and the other is in the middle of the redwoods on the same day that we were together earlier.
Just one of the many things that someone should stop them at some point and said this is too much. Part of appeal to the first season was they did a pretty good job of putting you in this seedy version of Louisiana, without making New Orleans Shreveport drives in an hour. They seemed to have better grip of the location.
you must have never been to LA. The area where Velcoro was killed could have been one of many forested areas in Los Angeles; either the santa monica mountain range or angeles national forest. There is lots of desert area similar to where Frank was killed within 150 miles of LA as well.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 7:41 am to 632627
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There is lots of desert area similar to where Frank was killed within 150 miles of LA as well.
150 miles isn't a quick drive.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 7:59 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Just watched it last night and my main issue is (which has been said) that the main players/winners in the end were Tony, Burris and the Mexicans who between them probably had a grand total of 20 minutes of screen time throughout the season, with Burris having the most and he really only came to the front in the last 2 episodes.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:22 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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150 miles isn't a quick drive.
It's a few hours, its not an impossible drive. I was disputing the point you made about the writers not having a good feel for the location.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 8:43 am to 632627
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It's a few hours, its not an impossible drive.
Nobody said it was. However, the timeline gets very questionable when you add in him pulling a full day before the grab him. Add a 3 hour drive to it and the noon sun is a pretty big issue. Hell, with the timeline, he should have walked, as you can survive out there at night.
Posted on 8/14/15 at 12:29 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I like the grantland article here - LINK
Pretty much this. The only person I was somewhat sad died was Frank. I was caring more about his revenge story way more than the actual extrememly convoluted investigation
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Instead we quickly plunged back into the flat circle of questions with unsatisfying answers. Why did Ray drive into the redwood forest? Why did Jordan meet Frank at Union Station and then act surprised when he told her she had to leave town? Did anyone go pick up those rings? Are Paul’s girlfriend and mom still in that hotel room? What’s on television? Did this criminal conspiracy to buy and sell land parcels off the Central Coast rail line really hinge on a cash handoff in the middle of the woods? Does anyone care who Chad’s father is? And while we’re talking about Chad, how does he explain the glass-encased police badge he brings to Dungeons & Dragons games? CHAD!
You know things have gone south when you don’t even care enough to find the answers. Did you get sad when Ray or Frank bought it? Were you relieved that Ani got away? Were you happy when Osip and McCandless got theirs? Were you mad when Tony Chessani rose to power?
Pretty much this. The only person I was somewhat sad died was Frank. I was caring more about his revenge story way more than the actual extrememly convoluted investigation
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