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re: True Detective: S2E8 "Omega Station" (Spoilers)

Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:46 pm to
Posted by tiderider
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:46 pm to
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Overall, I liked this season and thought the finale and last few episodes were quite good. I'd probably give the season a 7/10, whereas the first was a 9 IMO.

The one issue that annoys me to no end in these threads is when people constantly complain about their favorite characters not 'winning.' I see that crop up over and over again (Silicon Valley threads are another example). It feels like people want to live vicariously through their entertainment. Everything does not have to be a Choose Your Own Adventure story where everything works out in the end. 95% of TV/Movies deal with happy endings; go watch those shows if it bothers you this much.

With that said, I think there is a lot of room for complaints about how some of the stories played out this year. I was happy with the endings for all of the characters but there was a lot that frustrated me this season. There were many examples where things came together in a way that weren't supported well; one from last night would be Ray just figuring out that the photographer was one of the kids from the robbery. He had been focusing on the case for months and it just came together so they could advance the story.


got no problem with either frank or ray being taken out, but the sudden re-emergence of the mexican gangs over lost/destroyed property is a stretch for a realistic ending to frank's role ...
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
14027 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:39 am to
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he offered the money, but that didn't do anything



The lead Mexican said "that'll buy you something" when Frank said there was a million flat. They were getting back in their SUV's and rolling out, but then Frank asked for a ride. It was dumb. They did have a grave dug (I don't understand how people say they watched the show and missed the huge mound of dirt and a hole in the ground ) but the million changed their minds. I don't see how people are confused about that part.

Frank invited death to him which made absolutely no sense. He's supposed to be old school gangster. Shut up and walk. Or if he wants to ask for a ride but then he has to give up the suit, he can palm the small package of diamonds. There were many outs including even giving up the suit with the diamonds and coming back hard on the Mexicans later like he could have done. It was bad writing. Since when was dying his only out when his wife was waiting with $100k and he had "won" concerning the Russians and old ties? Frank palming the diamonds sitting there in his boxers in the desert would have been a funny way to write that and it would have worked. Ray had to die and that was fine, but Frank didn't have to. He pushed to which wasn't his character.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:17 am to
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got no problem with either frank or ray being taken out, but the sudden re-emergence of the mexican gangs over lost/destroyed property is a stretch for a realistic ending to frank's role ...


And the Mexicans magically find him under an overpass and manage to block him in without him noticing. Then they drive him to the desert where their boss is just waiting with a grave dug. On top of that, they are going to leave hi in the desert, but some no name Mexican thug randomly decides he wants VV's suit. So instead of just popping him in the head and getting it over, they stab him so we can get this overly dramatic BS march through the desert with Franks past. frick that bullshite was terrible.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 7:50 am to
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which is why I think the guy asking for his suit was planned

No. That's some wild speculative contriving. If they were going to kill Frank after taking his money he would have been dead before they turned towards their vehicles.

"Pssst, Pedro, when Frank ask for a ride you ask for his suit. Then he attacks you and we kill him."

Even the grave was dumb. "Manuel, since you're our Manuel labor you dig a grave in this rock hard ground just in case we find Frank."

It was a bad scene. Frank forced death upon himself and that was not the Frank they portrayed all season.

Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5428 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 7:57 am to
Watched last night, it was ok, not great, not terrible. One question though and not reading through the thread, but Ray and Ani were fugitives, most wanted, whatever you want to call them, but Woodrow gets a highway named after him? And having a sexual harassment case on him too? Did I miss something?
Posted by musick
the internet
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 7:58 am to
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The girl went over a lot of people's heads. She was not meant to be taken literally. Instead, she was moreso an allegorical tool and those depressing lyrics were actually focused on themes throughout the series.

Odd? Yes. Yet, still legit.



Lera Lynn was one of my favorite parts of the season, I've never heard of her before, but man she can wail.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:07 am to
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I'm just glad that I don't have to hear guitar gal moaning and whining in that crappy bar anymore.



I called her Debbie Downer.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:08 am to
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The girl went over a lot of people's heads. She was not meant to be taken literally. Instead, she was moreso an allegorical tool and those depressing lyrics were actually focused on themes throughout the series.



Dude, everyone knows what it was trying to portray. It was just contrived and overused.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:09 am to
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got no problem with either frank or ray being taken out, but the sudden re-emergence of the mexican gangs over lost/destroyed property is a stretch for a realistic ending to frank's role ...



Also, the fact that both he and Ray were taken so easily in such obvious situations was just the last straw for me.
Posted by sbr2
Member since Apr 2011
15422 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:20 am to
I sort of agree with you take umbrage with the way Frank went down, but all season he wouldn't let anyone disrespect him. He talks his way into getting out of a desert burial but instead of letting the guy taking the suit, disrespecting him, and living he behaves like he does all season. He stands up for himself, and he finally dies because of it. Frank had so many chances to be out in this season but he was obsessed with getting even.
Posted by The Dude Abides
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2010
2261 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:22 am to
the finale gave me feels that i wasn't ready for.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 8:23 am
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10722 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:29 am to
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but all season he wouldn't let anyone disrespect him

I have to respectfully disagree with that line of reasoning. All season long Frank allowed various groups to disrespect him for a brief moment in time. From Russians to businessmen Frank took the heel of their shoe. Then he got even.

That entire thing with the suit was just plain silly.

This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 8:31 am
Posted by sbr2
Member since Apr 2011
15422 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:33 am to
True, but he takes it knowing he could get even later. He held the Mexican gangs in very low regard all season long, I guess he thought he could get out of that situation
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10722 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:39 am to
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but he takes it knowing he could get even later

Exactly and that's why I believe initiating his own death in the desert was out of character for him. Life hadn't lost meaning for Frank at that point. He still had a great deal to live for.
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I guess he thought he could get out of that situation

IMO, and its just an opinion, he was out of the situation. He had a long walk ahead of him but that walk was a much better option than attacking the mexican.
Posted by lsuhunt555
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Member since Nov 2008
39015 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:57 am to
Finally got to watch it and man, was I disappointed. Though I shouldn't have been after how horrible the first half of the season was.

First how terrible was the first five minutes with Velcorro and Bezzerides in the hotel room? My God, that was terrible.

Then the whole thing in the whole thing in the train station. Really Ray? You thought it would be a good idea to let the guy who was there to kill this dude with a machete listen to yalls conversation? How in the world would that have ended poorly? Not to mention that we literally saw this guy one time, ONE TIME, and now hes a huge piece of the show? Come on.

Now the heist, how in the world was it that easy to pull off? These guys are so private they have more security at their orgies than the president has at an inauguration, yet im supposed to believe they are going to exchange that kind of money with 5 security guards in a shack in the woods?

Was I the only one who though that was a bomb on Velcoros car? Once I figured it wasnt a bomb, I immediately wondered why the hell he didn't take the money and ditch the car. If he was that certain they were watching then it would have drawn them out. The the whole chase thing, maybe I was wrong but I thought Ray kinda gave up and it was a little out of character.

Now to Frank, oh Frank. Ive read some people say he wasn't going to be disrespected. Well, the entire idea of his character all season was him getting legit. He had it, he was done. All he had to do was get to Venezuela. So the idea of him dying over a suit was down right stupid. Then this sudden reemergence of the Mexicans? Come on, this was so lazily done.

All in all, the last three episodes were promising that lead up to a dumpster fire of human shite of a Season Finale. I give this season a 1.5 stars out of 5. The idea of me being excited to watch Season 3 is a stretch at this point.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3812 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:00 am to
Yeah...Diamonds or not, I just don't see Frank walking through the dessert with zero dignity. Made absolute sense to me.

What central purpose did Woodrugh serve? That was my only real question....he could have not existed and its like the plot wouldn't have been altered one bit....
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
39015 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:12 am to
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What central purpose did Woodrugh serve? That was my only real question....he could have not existed and its like the plot wouldn't have been altered one bit....


The only real answer I can come up with is to make the viewer hate Burris (once we figured out his name). He was an overall decent guy, had a kid coming, almost fought his way out of a bad spot and then got shot in the back by that TPOS. Problem is, likely every viewer hated him from the moment they realized who he was.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19470 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:26 am to
God that nonsense about Woodrugh being "better than us?"

And him and Velcoro were now "friends"?

Between the 2 of them (RM and CF), they maybe had 5-10 minutes of actual dialogue with Woodrugh. the whole episode. There was no build of an actual relationship with anyone and Woodrugh.

It was piss poor, lazy writing. He served zero purpose.

I haven't seen anyone mention this, and it just came to me but this is basically a VERY VERY poor 8 episode version of the movie Crash.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 10:28 am
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74268 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:26 am to
I agree. By striking that Mexican he knew he was basically committing suicide. Frank would of hid the diamonds while taking off the suit, stripped down to his boxers, and walked out the desert.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68042 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:30 am to
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