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Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:45 am to shel311
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That was his dad mentioning a dream of his, correct?
yeah. trippy dream sequence from episode 3. "you come out of the woods. you're shot to pieces." after it aired, I was like wellllll thats how Ray's going out
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:50 am to shel311
I think the people that are arguing that Frank would just want to survive to start plotting his next move are overestimating his resources. His best guy is heading to Venezuela with his wife. The Armenians just sold him out to the Mexicans. The Venci group will be looking for him since he busted up their deal. He basically has the whole world against him and everyone on his side is either dead or gone. Also, if he does make it back, he could be risking his wife's life. By dying with dignity in the desert, he insured her safety, which was his major concern in the last episode. I'm not sure how his enemies could have gotten to his wife if he survived, but, with him dead, they don't really have a reason to.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 10:53 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:08 am to rebeloke
here is something i don't understand....
City controller(or whatever he was) of Vinci Ben Casper is tortured and murdered
state prosecutor is murdered, suspected killer is former Vinci detective
2 major businesses in Vinci are destroyed by arson
Vinci mayor commits suicide
Vinci chief of police is killed at a train station under very peculiar circumstances. also at the train station are wanted former detective and a current lieutenant of Vinci(this would have appeared on surveillance footage)
yet the ending scenes imply its business as usual in Vinci and the dead mayors son is elected/placed new mayor? How the frick is there not a federal investigation into the city of Vinci based on everything that happened?
the show got very entertaining from the 4th episode or so, but the story was very convoluted and far fetched.
City controller(or whatever he was) of Vinci Ben Casper is tortured and murdered
state prosecutor is murdered, suspected killer is former Vinci detective
2 major businesses in Vinci are destroyed by arson
Vinci mayor commits suicide
Vinci chief of police is killed at a train station under very peculiar circumstances. also at the train station are wanted former detective and a current lieutenant of Vinci(this would have appeared on surveillance footage)
yet the ending scenes imply its business as usual in Vinci and the dead mayors son is elected/placed new mayor? How the frick is there not a federal investigation into the city of Vinci based on everything that happened?
the show got very entertaining from the 4th episode or so, but the story was very convoluted and far fetched.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:10 am to 632627
It's a television show.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:11 am to 632627
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yet the ending scenes imply its business as usual in Vinci and the dead mayors son is elected/placed new mayor? How the frick is there not a federal investigation into the city of Vinci based on everything that happened?
weren't there Senators involved in the conspiracy? powerful people have the ability to cover it up and a lot of the stuff was pinned on Velcoro
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:20 am to Salmon
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weren't there Senators involved in the conspiracy? powerful people have the ability to cover it up and a lot of the stuff was pinned on Velcoro
it was the california attorney general that was involved. but still, all that shite happening in one tiny city is gonna raise some eyebrows, be it at the county, state or federal level.
edit- there was also a reporter looking into corruption in vinci when the series began. all those events are gonna bring a lot more media coverage and attention.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:22 am to Salmon
1) The Aremanians didn't give up Frank, Frank didn't take the Mexicans as serious threat from the beginning, they tailed him at the end. They had no idea he had just hit the Russians for 12 million, they only wanted revenge for him burning the clubs.........LEGIT REASONING
2) Frank died in the desert after attempting to walk to civilization post being kidney flanked. He wasn't giving up his suit because he had 3.4 million in his pocket and he was a gangster. He didn't die where he stood, he faced all his demons on the walk.........LEGIT DEATH
3) The good guys did win, McAdams escaping and blowing up the catalyst group will cause the demise of the major players: Tony Chessani, McCandles, the Leutenient.
4) McAdams waited a year because she was pregnant in Venazeula, hiding for her life from legit threats, and lastly, allowing the bad guys to feel they had gotten away with it only to foil it later would be even bigger revenge for Frank and Velcoro.
5)Velcoro died because of his love for his son which in retrospect was admirable. He could have rode out and gotten on the boat and they make it; but he wanted to say goodbye. This character flaw proved he was a good man despite early on portrayls of him being a "bad guy."
6) Caspere didn't frick his daughter........the daughter found is the daughter of the Jewlery owners robbed and murdered by Leutenient and Holloway in 92. The son used his sister to get close to Caspere. Caspere help plot blackmails. Caspere was not related to her. Caspere was the accountant at the PD in 92 with Holloway and Lt.
2) Frank died in the desert after attempting to walk to civilization post being kidney flanked. He wasn't giving up his suit because he had 3.4 million in his pocket and he was a gangster. He didn't die where he stood, he faced all his demons on the walk.........LEGIT DEATH
3) The good guys did win, McAdams escaping and blowing up the catalyst group will cause the demise of the major players: Tony Chessani, McCandles, the Leutenient.
4) McAdams waited a year because she was pregnant in Venazeula, hiding for her life from legit threats, and lastly, allowing the bad guys to feel they had gotten away with it only to foil it later would be even bigger revenge for Frank and Velcoro.
5)Velcoro died because of his love for his son which in retrospect was admirable. He could have rode out and gotten on the boat and they make it; but he wanted to say goodbye. This character flaw proved he was a good man despite early on portrayls of him being a "bad guy."
6) Caspere didn't frick his daughter........the daughter found is the daughter of the Jewlery owners robbed and murdered by Leutenient and Holloway in 92. The son used his sister to get close to Caspere. Caspere help plot blackmails. Caspere was not related to her. Caspere was the accountant at the PD in 92 with Holloway and Lt.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:22 am to 632627
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the show got very entertaining from the 4th episode or so, but the story was very convoluted and far fetched.
yeah. i just read an entire recap of the story, and, while it was very ambitious, it failed on a lot of levels. very convoluted with lots of big things explained with one-off lines, contrived coincidences, and the like. cant bring characters like holloway back in as major plot components when they had like 5 lines in a previous episode. i can never get into the whole "every single person is corrupt" things in movies/tv. and the sex parties
nobody would ever go to those things because all it would be is a giant blackmail thing. Pizolatto loves to hammer home the dark, sexy underworld and the fact that you cant stomp out corruption dont get me wrong, it's still above average television. but its nowhere near the company of the greats. it's in the in-between tier
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 11:24 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:25 am to Carson123987
I really think this season could have worked, its just the set up was way too long
hopefully NP learns from this season it keeps the story tighter next season
hopefully NP learns from this season it keeps the story tighter next season
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:25 am to L S Usetheforce
quote:All of this.
1) The Aremanians didn't give up Frank, Frank didn't take the Mexicans a serious threat from the beginning, they tailed him at the end. That had no idea he had just hit the Russians for 12 million, they only wanted revenge for him burning the clubs.........LEGIT REASONING
2) Frank died in the desert after attempting to walk to civilization post being kidney flanked. He wasn't giving up his suit because he had 3.4 million in his pocket and he was a ganster. He didn't die where he stood, he faced all his demons on the walk.........LEGIT DEATH
3) The good guys did win, McAdams escaping and blowing up the catalyst group will cause the demise of the major players: Chessani, McCandles, the Leutenient.
4) McAdams waited a year because she was pregnant in Venazeula, hiding for her life from legit threats, and lastly, allowing the bad guys to feel they had gotten away with it only to foil it later would be even bigger revenge for Frank and Velcoro.
5)Velcoro died because of his love for his son which in retrospect was admirable. He could have rode out and gotten on the boat and they make it, but he wanted to say goodbye. This character flaw proved he was a good man despite early on portrayls of him being a "bad guy."
6) Caspere didn't frick his daughter........the daughter found is the daughter of the Jewlery owners robbed and murdered by Leutenient and Holloway in 92. The son used his sister to help plot blackmails. Caspere was not related to her.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:26 am to L S Usetheforce
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1) The Aremanians didn't give up Frank, Frank didn't take the Mexicans a serious threat from the beginning, they tailed him at the end. That had no idea he had just hit the Russians for 12 million, they only wanted revenge for him burning the clubs.........LEGIT REASONING
how would they have tailed him?
He just bought that car like 2 days ago and burned his Range Rover?
Farfetched as hell to be honest.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:26 am to Salmon
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I really think this season could have worked, its just the set up was way too long
hopefully NP learns from this season it keeps the story tighter next season
agreed. we didnt need 4 episodes of all that unnecessary exposition. couldve done it in two. needs to clean up the number of characters as well.
just needs a tighter experience
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:27 am to STLhog
Did he not always have that Charger?
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:27 am to L S Usetheforce
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6) Caspere didn't frick his daughter........the daughter found is the daughter of the Jewlery owners robbed and murdered by Leutenient and Holloway in 92. The son used his sister to get close to Caspere. Caspere help plot blackmails. Caspere was not related to her. Caspere was the accountant at the PD in 92 with Holloway and Lt.
incorrect. at the train station, velcoro asked holloway why did they murder the jewelry store owners, why not just rob them?
holloway stated that Casper was having an affair with the wife, and was the father to 2 illegitimate children.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 11:34 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:29 am to L S Usetheforce
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6) Caspere didn't frick his daughter....
this is incorrect
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:29 am to 632627
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velcoro stated that Casper was having an affair with the wife, and was the father to 2 illegitimate children.
I missed that...........Had to go close the garage door by demands of the wife.
I retract that statement. Season 2 was not worth rewinding..........I'll admit that.This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 11:31 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:31 am to L S Usetheforce
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4) McAdams waited a year because she was pregnant in Venazeula, hiding for her life from legit threats, and lastly, allowing the bad guys to feel they had gotten away with it only to foil it later would be even bigger revenge for Frank and Velcoro.
Does anybody think the two women and Nails are making "a long trip" back to L.A. to exact revenge?
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:32 am to 632627
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velcoro stated that Casper was having an affair with the wife, and was the father to 2 illegitimate children.
Holloway stated this, but that's right. The girl was Caspere's kid and the mom was pregnant with another of Casper's kids.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 11:32 am to The Sad Banana
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Did he not always have that Charger?
Velcoro did.
Vince Vaughn got new Audi's which he clearly stated to Nails/his wife.
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