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Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:29 am to Salmon
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when they didn't answer him..?
I think you're assuming way to much at this point in time. Even assuning he can't make his way out of the desert is a non provable assumption. I'm trying to base my arguenment on what was discerned by his actions.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:30 am to Erin Go Bragh
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Frank lives, Frank plots, Frank gets even. Again the only perspective that matters, regarding how this scene plays out, is Franks.
You think the Mexicans don't realize if they take Millions of Dollars from Frank that he might come back to get some revenge? That would give them even more reason to just take all the money and diamonds and then just kill him. If Frank wouldn't have asked for the ride he would have made it back to town IMO. Just was a retarded way for him to go, I think.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:30 am to Hester Carries
quote:Agreed. Which just doesnt sit with me with his character. He was willing to let the Russians come in his club and embarass him all while he stayed calm sipping Vodka and devising a plan. The real Frank would have giving the Mexican his Hanes underwear all while devising a plan to burn the whole country of Mexico to the ground
I assumed that it was pretty obvious that Frank not giving the guy his suit had nothing to do with "not wanting to be stripped" but because the diamonds were in the coat pocket.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:33 am to Erin Go Bragh
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Even assuning he can't make his way out of the desert is a non provable assumption. I'm trying to base my arguenment on what was discerned by his actions.
I just think the entire point of the conversation with Velcoro earlier was setting up Frank not giving them his suit
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:34 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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You think the Mexicans don't realize if they take Millions of Dollars from Frank that he might come back to get some revenge?
It never appeared this group of mexicans took Frank seriously. While they could be afraid of retaliation its just as likely they considered him a defeated foe. Or just as likely someone they could exploit down the road.
I think they were going to leave him in the desert. Otherwise they would have put one through his eye.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:34 am to Erin Go Bragh
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But he wasn't going out. Frank was surviving IMHO. Frank was old school. He would have understood the need to humiliate him and would have allowed them to do so. He knew the game.
I agree. After ALL that, he was already losing.
I feel like based on everything else he would have said F it and given up the suit.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:35 am to lsupride87
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He was willing to let the Russians come in his club and embarass him all while he stayed calm sipping Vodka and devising a plan
He knew they were coming. He had the upper hand in that situation.
I guess this is just something we are never going to agree on, but I think him not giving up his suit fits his character 100%
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:35 am to Salmon
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just think the entire point of the conversation with Velcoro earlier was setting up Frank not giving them his suit
Again, that assumes Frank knows he's dead. I didn't read it that way.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:36 am to Salmon
quote:So why not give up your suit just to make sure? YOu can punch someone in the face after that too.
uh...just to make sure?
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:36 am to lsupride87
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He was willing to let the Russians come in his club and embarass him all while he stayed calm sipping Vodka and devising a plan. The real Frank would have giving the Mexican his Hanes underwear all while devising a plan to burn the whole country of Mexico to the ground
The difference there was that Frank knew before that moment it was going to happen, and when and where he was going to exact his revenge.
The Mexicans ruined his "out" which was the end of his big plan (and we all know how big of a planner Frank was...) And we had already seen that he can be hot headed when confronted/disrespected when he pulled that one guy's gold teeth out after beating him. The Mexicans were not going to let him leave the desert alive.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:37 am to Erin Go Bragh
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that assumes Frank knows he's dead
well I think its a safe assumption that Frank knew they weren't going to give him a ride back to town
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:37 am to Salmon
All I can say is that I was actually pulling for both Ray and Frank.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:38 am to Erin Go Bragh
How were they so easily able to track Velcoro after he ditched the car and dropped the money bag?
It's not like he had a homing device on him.
But ... he could have run in any direction into the woods ... but, gimp LT douche and his cop mercs followed Velcoro like frickin' Pepe LePew.
It's not like he had a homing device on him.
But ... he could have run in any direction into the woods ... but, gimp LT douche and his cop mercs followed Velcoro like frickin' Pepe LePew.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:38 am to Uncle JackD
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Rays dad has his death pegged
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yeah, that had to come. my dad and i talked about it before the episode. nice Lynchian touch
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:40 am to lsupride87
quote:Unless he actually did think he was dead. I think he did obviously think this, I just don't think his actions before jived with that thinking.
Agreed. Which just doesnt sit with me with his character. He was willing to let the Russians come in his club and embarass him all while he stayed calm sipping Vodka and devising a plan. The real Frank would have giving the Mexican his Hanes underwear all while devising a plan to burn the whole country of Mexico to the ground
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:41 am to Salmon
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well I think its a safe assumption that Frank knew they weren't going to give him a ride back to town
I agree there's a good possibilty Frank knew not to expect kindness even before asking the question. But they did appear to be leaving and they didn't kill him until after he attacked.
What I'm saying is that a pragmatic Frank doesn't force the issue given the odds. If he dies walking out the desert he takes that as his best option.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:42 am to Erin Go Bragh
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But they did appear to be leaving and they didn't kill him until after he attacked.
but they also had a grave for him...
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What I'm saying is that a pragmatic Frank doesn't force the issue given the odds.
He wasn't giving up his suit.
This post was edited on 8/10/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:44 am to Carson123987
quote:That was his dad mentioning a dream of his, correct?
yeah, that had to come. my dad and i talked about it before the episode. nice Lynchian touch
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:44 am to Salmon
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but they also had a grave for him...
And it may well have been their initial intent to kill him. He gives then the money, they talk and it appears the decison to kill him is changed to leaving him alone in the desert.
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