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re: True Detective S1E6 "Haunted Houses"

Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:39 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:39 am to
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. But you sure seem to be triumphantly blowing your horn more louldly in this thread than other shows/movies.

i have been busy with work and haven't gotten to really post a lot until last monday (that's a general statement)

also last week was the peak of speculation/theorizing b/c it was a critical point of the story
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:41 am to
But you talking like this (bitching about how right you are, how people are adjusting their expectations [which isn't true btw], etc.), and especially bitching about pacing, shows that you are basically going into these last couple of episodes expecting not to be satisfied. In other words, you most likely won't like it, and you've already determined that before you ever even see what they have in store. Just because you "think" they won't have enough time to wrap things up = they don't, to you.

And what's funny is that even if the show ends disappointingly to people, your opinion won't hold as much weight as it could because you'll be sitting there pointing and laughing but you'll have been biased from the start. Sort of like the "If you expect to miss a FT, then you most likely will miss" analogy/idiom.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:43 am to
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Probably the best character development I've seen in a tv show aside from Deadwood (RIP).

I started that yesterday actually. Two episodes in and I'm digging it so far.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:45 am to
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I started that yesterday actually.

deadwood? shite is legit

i believe most shows should wrap up in 2-4 seasons

i want more deadwood. MOAR
Posted by CoCo311
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:45 am to
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the final episode will be marty/rust teaming up to expose the cult, and it will fail...either through personal compromise (marty) or death (rust). hell they probably have some leverage over marty (i'd guess maggie) that leads to him crossing rust


I agree with this, yet again. Not that I think that will be a flawed ending. I could even see if it came down to Maggie, one of Marty's kids, or maybe even Lori, Rust sacrificing himself a la Jesus Christ.
Posted by EarthwormJim
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:45 am to
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at this point, i've already said what i think ep 7 will be the final episode will be

marty/rust teaming up to expose the cult, and it will fail...either through personal compromise (marty) or death (rust). hell they probably have some leverage over marty (i'd guess maggie) that leads to him crossing rust

so things stay the same and the cult lives on. we may not even ever see the man with the scars on his face

-i do not expect a resolution of the storyline/plot involving the cult

-i do expect rust to die

-i do expect marty to fail, likely due to a woman


See earlier when you were talking about declining expectations it seemed like you were talking the quality of the show. Now you use expectations to mean predictions, in which case I don't understand how anybody can have declining expectations. Predictions have changed when more was revealed but expectations for the level of the show hasn't.

This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 11:46 am
Posted by Hat Tricks
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:45 am to
I gotta admit. You are really, really committed to this troll job. Probably more than I've ever seen from you.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:47 am to
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episodes expecting not to be satisfied

they did the whole tuttle/cult angle, so that's already accomplished. and you can go back to the post-episode 1 discussion to see me loathing that theory (in response to prom's wife coco, iirc)

also, having rust/marty "break up" b/c rust fricked maggie as another nail in teh coffin. i've feared that since ep 1, too (don't know if there is post evidence for that, though, like above)

Posted by lsu5803tiger
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:49 am to
Sorry if posted already..
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SJW just put True Detective on notice.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:49 am to
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Now you use expectations to mean predictions,
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Now you use expectations to mean predictions,

we're at the very end, so they go hand in hand

a lot of the story has already been established, and a lot of the conflict points were there/resolved by cliche/boring/standard/expected stuff. once all that happens, to me and in my personal view, the level of expectation is set

adding in the lack of time left to resolve it, what else can there be?
Posted by EarthwormJim
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:50 am to
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they did the whole tuttle/cult angle, so that's already accomplished. and you can go back to the post-episode 1 discussion to see me loathing that theory (in response to prom's wife coco, iirc)

also, having rust/marty "break up" b/c rust fricked maggie as another nail in teh coffin. i've feared that since ep 1, too (don't know if there is post evidence for that, though, like above


Why did you fear these things? Because you wanted the show to fool you? It seems like you've picked up on tidbits and foreshadowing and you don't like that those have direct correlation to future events.
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:50 am to
You seem like such a miserable unhappy person
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:51 am to
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at this point, i've already said what i think ep 7 will be

the final episode will be

So by expectations you mean predictions?

Of course people's predictions will change when they turn out to not be true.

It's like you're arguing for the sake of arguing...you're asking people what they expect from the show, when what you really mean is what do they whink will happen. And when they say something and it doesn't happen, so they guess at something else, you blast them for "moving the goal posts." That's fricking laughable bullshite. You can't be arguing what someone expects literally to happen in the show and attack it from a philisophical "what do you want to get out of the show?" angle.

If anybody is moving goal posts in this whole discussion, it's you.

But at least I'm on the same page as to the trolls you're trying to pull here. So that being said, I'll stick to my "I'll have to skip your posts" stance.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 11:53 am
Posted by EarthwormJim
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:52 am to
quote:

we're at the very end, so they go hand in hand


Right but earlier in the thread you said expectations were decreasing, when in fact it was only predictions changing and theories becoming less intricate. That's not the same as decreasing.

quote:

a lot of the story has already been established, and a lot of the conflict points were there/resolved by cliche/boring/standard/expected stuff. once all that happens, to me and in my personal view, the level of expectation is set


So you want a story to surprise you.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:52 am to
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Why did you fear these things?

corrupted religious people being exposed as evil (Especially via cult) is played....soooo played

add in the southern setting and it annoys me

quote:

Because you wanted the show to fool you?

in the sense that i wanted a fresh/creative look at what was established in episode one? yes. creativity by definition is a shock to the standard.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:53 am to
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You seem like such a miserable unhappy person

i have every biological reason to do so, but i'm pretty much almost always the most upbeat/positive person, bro
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:54 am to
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So by expectations you mean predictions?

we're at the end of the story. they are one in the same at this point.

Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:54 am to
perhaps let the entirety of the show play out and then analyze the sum total and not the individual parts
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:54 am to
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also, having rust/marty "break up" b/c rust fricked maggie as another nail in teh coffin. i've feared that since ep 1, too

I think most people saw that coming. Like I said, I think we all saw her doing it, but I personally didn't think Rust would follow through with it.

It's another nail in what coffin? Why in hell would you be mad that Rust fricking Maggie is the straw that broke up the Rust/Marty partnership? That makes complete sense...no reason that should piss you off...

...unless, again, you are looking to be pissed off (which you are).


ETA: It really is starting to seem like you're just mad that this show ISN'T going all deep into subliminal things and into all kinds of mythology. Almost like that's what you "predicted" in the beginning and that's not how it's panning out so you're blasting it because of that.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 11:56 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 11:55 am to
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xpectations were decreasing, when in fact it was only predictions changing and theories becoming less intricate. That's not the same as decreasing.

well the expectations of a new/fresh/creative look (which was the big draw after episode 1) at this genre/story archetype were real. it's not just about individual plot points (But as i said, with very little time left, RIGHT NOW they overlap)

quote:

So you want a story to surprise you.

in the sense of novelty and creativity? yes
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