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re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"

Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:21 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:21 am to
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He wasn't a loose cannon

he went and committed multiple felonies in Texas, including 1st degree murder, while lying about his whereabouts to LSP

he kept investigating the murders after he was told not to.

he's a loose cannon

Posted by tigerswin03
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:22 am to
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i think that clearly means its less interesting


I thought it made it very interesting but if you didn't that's your opinion and that doesn't make you wrong its just the way you viewed the show and I think that's what separates who liked the show and who was disappointed .....

to me I really enjoyed the characters that WH and MM played and their story, but I also thought the storyline they were investigating was good , I thought enough was answered and even though a lot was left unanswered i was ok with that...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:24 am to
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Ultimately, the story was about Rust and Marty.

then why did it take 8 episodes?

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It is fun to watch you contentiously speak for the "vast majority". Most people seemed to enjoy it.

because they have internally moved the goalposts of expectations. as i said before, it's been fantastic to watch it in real time

when i first started talking about the ending being underwhelming, people called me a troll. then they continued to post theories about the plot/mystery. if they completely change their expectations 3-4 weeks later, then their internal hypocrisy/conflict is on them...not me
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:24 am to
You guys realize that the yellow king was the big stick figure in carcosa, right?

the only thing they really left unsolved was the identity of all 5 masked men.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 12:26 am
Posted by DanglingFury
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:25 am to
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the cult was the story. ... objectively, it was the only truly interesting angle


Only if that's what you chose to see in it. I loved watching Marty and Rust do their thing. The writer said many times the show was about them, not the killer.

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that's all the vast majority of anybody cared about.


How is that important to anything? Why does my/your interpretation/enjoyment depend on those people?
Posted by DosManos
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:25 am to
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he went and committed multiple felonies in Texas, including 1st degree murder, while lying about his whereabouts to LSP he kept investigating the murders after he was told not to. he's a loose cannon

Only after he was retired and suspected the cops of being corrupt and possibly in on the whole conspiracy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:25 am to
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its just the way you viewed the show

i saw no people posting a month ago proclaiming all they cared about was watching rust and marty become friends

literally 0 people

i saw hundreds post religiously about the cult and mystery (on here and reddit)

Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:26 am to
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because they have internally moved the goalposts of expectations. as i said before, it's been fantastic to watch it in real time

The fricking story moved.

I don't think moving the goalposts is an apt metaphor.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:26 am to
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the only thing they really left unsolved was the identity of all 5 masked men.


who they were

why they did it

what their beliefs are

why did they kill 2 publicly?

etc
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25506 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:26 am to
I was not expecting anything supernatural. I enjoyed the show for the most part. Hannibal is the best crime show on tv right now though.
Posted by Joe
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:27 am to
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and you're basically agreeing with me. rust was a vessel to insert "cool" t


No. To insert "interesting".

Because he was. Marty and Rust were the most interesting part of the show. To me.

We can agree to disagree, but I loved the scene of Marty in the wheelchair when Rust woke up. One of my favorite scenes of the series.

You were more interested in the cult and the case, and that's fine. I watched it differently. That's also fine.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:27 am to
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How is that important to anything?

moving goalposts of expectations

i bet i can find you posting aobut the plot/mystery in prior threads. why was it important to you then? why isn't it now?

quote:

Why does my/your interpretation/enjoyment depend on those people?

why did your enjoyment of this show change? that's the real question
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:28 am to
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I enjoyed the show for the most part.


STOP MOVING THE GOAL POSTS ERIC
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25506 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:28 am to
Can people not enjoy both the detective relationship and the mystery?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:29 am to
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Marty and Rust were the most interesting part of the show. To me.

what was interesting about marty?

what was interesting about rust after episode 2? itwas the same shite over and over
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:29 am to
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Can people not enjoy both the detective relationship and the mystery?

sure

i'd hope their post history suggests an equal amount of interest/discussion from the start until today, though
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 12:30 am
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:29 am to
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then why use the cult storyline at all? why create all the red herrings along the way? why drag this out over 8 episodes?


To set the scene and show the struggle. To tell the story. To give the story texture.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25506 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:30 am to
Yeah...I demand consistency,
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
476129 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:30 am to
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To tell the story. To give the story texture.

the texture of the story was "filled with holes"
Posted by DanglingFury
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:31 am to
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moving goalposts of expectations


Whose?

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i bet i can find you posting aobut the plot/mystery in prior threads. why was it important to you then? why isn't it now?


You're welcome to try.
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