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re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:12 am to BlacknGold
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:12 am to BlacknGold
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In the end, it's a monster man like Jason/michael myers who was the killer.
Actually, probably not that bad of a comparison. Michael Myers is supposed to be the embodment of evil, much like our bad guy here. That's what this all comes down to as summed up at the end. The fight of the light against the dark.
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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there is literally nothing about rust that would allow him to move positively through a government bureaucracy, let alone policing agencies.
Maybe that's why he was undercover most of his career. It fit his antisocial tendencies well.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:13 am to Pigimus Prime
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Could it be to show that not all things end perfectly and neatly?
im not asking for neat. but errolls character does not fit in with what was investigated. he is pretty much the exact opposite of organized and able of an elaborate cover up. as mentioned, he was pretty much just a giant killer like michael myers. its hard to believe that a cult so entrenched in power and cover ups would allow erroll at all.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:13 am to Joe Mantegna
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There is no story without Rust
the cult was the story
rust was a means towards developing that mystery, and a number of characters could have fit in his place
when you flip it, and make the cult devalued and try to prop a one-trick, unrealistic pony up as the only redeeming quality, the show much be criticized accordingly
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:14 am to DanglingFury
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Are we supposed to know who was the dead guy in Errol's guest house? Again, did they say, and I missed it?
Was it really his dad?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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the cult was the story
This seems to be where the rift is.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:14 am to DosManos
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Maybe that's why he was undercover most of his career.
um, no. that was b/c of something else
and a guy like rust is the last person you'd want working UC. he's a loose cannon
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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have you ever met a cop who spoke like rust?
Wouldn't have been very interesting if they made him a stereotypical cop, right?
I found his character interesting. Raised in Alaska, had a kid who died tragically which changed his whole life outlook, made his name in vice in Texas (which is how he got the DT job), did so many drugs on the job he hallucinates, can get anyone to confess, can read people instantly...
There's a lot to find interesting in Rust besides "oh he's too philosophical"
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 12:16 am
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:16 am to northshorebamaman
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This seems to be where the rift is.
go read the reddit board for TD
go read the tigerdroppings threads for TD
the cult was the story. that's all the vast majority of anybody cared about. objectively, it was the only truly interesting angle once the shock of rust wore off
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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rust is so fantastical that he could not exist in reality, and once you see him, you get all of him. he doesn't change at all
I've met several freakishly smart people who were just incapable of living in the here and now and had to look for metaphysical meanings and structure in every little thing. Brilliant but completely dysfunctional.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:16 am to BlacknGold
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its hard to believe that a cult so entrenched in power and cover ups would allow erroll at all.
it was the family business
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:17 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't think that characters need to be realistic to be great. It doesn't matter if you think that in real life a man like Rust would not be successful. He's there in the story that is laid out. What is the creator of the show trying to tell us with him? Maybe it is better to think of Rust as an idea or an argument.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 12:18 am
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:18 am to Joe
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Wouldn't have been very interesting if they made him a stereotypical cop, right?
the wire had stereotypical cops and was amazing and very interesting
and you're basically agreeing with me. rust was a vessel to insert "cool" to cover up for weaknesses everywhere else. the show is style over substance, and people keep attempting to defend what little substance remained after ep 8
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There's a lot to find interesting in Rust
not really. he's a philosopher superman. he never changes, and he never loses. that's not interesting
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:18 am to shinerfan
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I've met several freakishly smart people who were just incapable of living in the here and now and had to look for metaphysical meanings and structure in every little thing.
and how many were not only cops, but cops who were promoted
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:19 am to UMRealist
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it was the family business
then explain ledoux and his cohort
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:19 am to BlacknGold
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im not asking for neat. but errolls character does not fit in with what was investigated. he is pretty much the exact opposite of organized and able of an elaborate cover up. as mentioned, he was pretty much just a giant killer like michael myers. its hard to believe that a cult so entrenched in power and cover ups would allow erroll at all.
I sort of agree but I was just trying to offer an explanation for what we have here. On the other hand Erroll did seem to be smarter than he always let on. Maybe he was the perfect caretaker role for the family's killing grounds. Maybe they protected their own no matter the risks. It is hard to imagine powerful elites dealing with the guy, that lady and their awful home.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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and a guy like rust is the last person you'd want working UC. he's a loose cannon
He wasn't a loose cannon. He was totally in control of his emotions and an ultimate realist. He had an ascetic lifestyle. He was perfect for undercover. He was basically an übermensch. Smart and in control (even with alcohol).
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:20 am to Peazey
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What is the creator of the show trying to tell us with him?
no idea
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Maybe it is better to think of Rust as an idea or an argument.
then why use the cult storyline at all? why create all the red herrings along the way? why drag this out over 8 episodes?
if rust is an argument, we needed 1 hour...2 max
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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the cult was the story. that's all the vast majority of anybody cared about. objectively, it was the only truly interesting angle once the shock of rust wore off
It was the story if you don't look at the series as a whole. Ultimately, the story was about Rust and Marty. Obviously, you don't agree. It is fun to watch you continually speak for the "vast majority". Most people seemed to enjoy it.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 12:24 am
Posted on 3/10/14 at 12:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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then explain ledoux and his cohort
I was explaining how Errol would be let in and involved. I didn't say the cult was exclusive to the family.
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