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Tom Hagan really did not respect Sonny
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:44 pm
No way Tom would ever disrespect Don Vito or even Michael the way he would lay into Sonny in front of other family members. And Sonny basically let him. For all of Sonny's tough guy demeanor, it was really Michael who Hagan feared and respected more.
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:50 pm to burger bearcat
quote:Tom wouldn't be with the family if not for Sonny.
Tom Hagan really did not respect Sonny
Of course Tom respected him.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:52 pm to burger bearcat
Tom and Sonny were extremely close. He was probably the only person (other than Vito) that could lay into Sonny like that thanks to their relationship.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:53 pm to burger bearcat
Because he was a mess. Don was a father to Tom, Tom was loyal to him. Tom respected Michael because hey were similar. Intelligent and calculated. Deeply loyal to family. Sonny was the opposite. He was impulsive, hot headed, confrontational, Tom always knew Don or Michael would have his back.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:56 pm to Nutriaitch
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Tom and Sonny were extremely close. He was probably the only person (other than Vito) that could lay into Sonny like that thanks to their relationship.
Its this. Tom felt comfortable enough with Sonny to be candid.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:03 pm to burger bearcat
Tom never disrespected Sonny when the Don was functioning.
All the “disrespect” happened when the family was floundering. But Tom lashing out at Sonny was more a matter of Tom not being a wartime consigliere than actual intended disrespect.
All the “disrespect” happened when the family was floundering. But Tom lashing out at Sonny was more a matter of Tom not being a wartime consigliere than actual intended disrespect.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:16 pm to drizztiger
Sonny saw Vito order the death of Tom's father in one of the books. That's why he brought him home, and Vito let him stay.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:20 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:Which book was that?
Sonny saw Vito order the death of Tom's father in one of the books. That's why he brought him home, and Vito let him stay.
I only read the original and don't remember that. Maybe I got distracted by Lucy Mancini's vagina.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:24 pm to TigerintheNO
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Sonny saw Vito order the death of Tom's father in one of the books. That's why he brought him home, and Vito let him stay.
I don’t recall this at all, but maybe I missed it. Probably read the book a dozen times.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:28 pm to burger bearcat
Tom was the consigliere.
It was literally HIS JOB to let Sonny know when he was fricking up.
It was literally HIS JOB to let Sonny know when he was fricking up.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:28 pm to drizztiger
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Which book was that?
I really don't think any book other that Puzo's original should be cited as official Canon. At minimum they should be Puzo novels, and not some of the fanfiction stories created decades later.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:29 pm to Godfather1
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It was literally HIS JOB to let Sonny know when he was fricking up
Yea but he still would never give the business like that to Vito or Michael.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:29 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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I don’t recall this at all, but maybe I missed it. Probably read the book a dozen times.
That’s because it’s not in the book. It’s from another one, “The Family Corleone”. Good read, but I don’t know if it’s considered canon.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:30 pm to Sus-Scrofa
quote:Apparently it's in Ed Falco's prequel novel The Family Corleone (2013), which I have not read. Like you, I read the original probably a dozen times and even used it as a topic in one of my Lit classes many moons ago.
I don’t recall this at all, but maybe I missed it. Probably read the book a dozen times.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:30 pm to burger bearcat
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Yea but he still would never give the business like that to Vito or Michael.
neither of those two were the hothead Sonny was
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:31 pm to burger bearcat
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Yea but he still would never give the business like that to Vito or Michael.
Because Sonny had a different personality and different way of doing things than Vito or Michael (who were more similar in temperament).
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:32 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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But Tom lashing out at Sonny was more a matter of Tom not being a wartime consigliere than actual intended disrespect.
Imo the line “you aren’t a wartime consigliere” is just a lie/excuse to make Tom feel better
The real reason he is pulled off of consigliere duty is because Micheal wanted him completely isolated from the business during the preparation of the 5 family slaughter to insulate him and the internal circle from implication of those and other crimes and allow him to represent the family as a lawyer in Utah. Tom’s skills are much more useful there than navigating a war the family wasn’t going to be in NY to worry about
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:33 pm to drizztiger
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used it as a topic in one of my Lit classes many moons ago.
So did I. It’s literally one of the great works of American Lit.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:41 pm to wildtigercat93
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to represent the family as a lawyer in Utah.
UTAH?
No, it was Nevada, home of casinos and legalized gambling.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:49 pm to burger bearcat
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Yea but he still would never give the business like that to Vito or Michael.
i think he absolutely would, given the right context. he never had to.
and he never really "gives the business" to Sonny anyways. he is very direct and blunt, but he always maintains professionalism.
i think Sonny and Tom respected each other entirely, but if ANYONE was disrespectful of the other, it was Sonny towards Tom.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 1:51 pm
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