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re: The Wonder Years being rebooted with a Black family by ABC
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I hope with Savage involved this can be a strident effort at producing something good, but I'm worried. Of course, for a lot of people on this site, if it just showed any white racism, it will be "BLM-driven" stuff.
Depends.
Are they going to show racism as a product of the time, something that we should look back and make sure we understand in full, and never replicate?
Or are they going to show it as something that people today are still responsible for?
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Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
Hopefully it will also address the burgeoning GLQTBYUIOPLYBVEWQXSAHTXZ Movement in a “strident“ way. I think making the black Dad a Closeted transvestite would illuminate Southern attitudes towards Differently - gendered People of Color trying to survive in a racistsexisthomophobic white patriarchal world . Also if they could make the daughter a lesbian vegan.
So much to look forward too! frick all that Kevin and Winnie cracka arse bullshite.
So much to look forward too! frick all that Kevin and Winnie cracka arse bullshite.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:18 pm to TROLA
quote:In retrospect, race deserved a few episodes. And would have been good if there had been a recurring black character.
You’re right and maybe it could have in a few episodes
quote:There's no reason this couldn't be told from a black family's perspective as well. But in any event, white suburbia was disrupted by race and crime as well - those topics are not explored on the show.
but the whole show was about white suburbia and the changes the 60’s brought to the idealistic innocence that the suburbs was supposed to provide..
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:23 pm to Big Scrub TX
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In retrospect, race deserved a few episodes. And would have been good if there had been a recurring black character.
This is probably true. But there was still a lot of legit segregation at the time, so it's kind of obvious why they left it out. There were, and still are, many communities that have 0 african americans. The show doesn't HAVE to show anything, plenty of kids grow up without that exposure.
So it depends on your requirement of art to tell ALL stories or the stories it wants to tell.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
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There's no reason this couldn't be told from a black family's perspective as well.
It just won’t resonate the same.. that timeframe is 50 years ago and people, especially the targeted youth audience won’t relate in any way.. it would be better to tell a story of black families suburban experience in the 90’s with the dawn of the internet.. kids will at least have a relatable experience.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:31 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Well, that made the black inclusion all the more awkward, then. In one episode, the middle school baseball coach was black - and turned out to be a war buddy of Jack. In another, Kevin had a young, black female English teacher who was so iconoclastic that she fully challenged the school administration by doing things that were still ruffling feathers in 1992 with just white people, much less 1972.
This is probably true. But there was still a lot of legit segregation at the time, so it's kind of obvious why they left it out. There were, and still are, many communities that have 0 african americans. The show doesn't HAVE to show anything, plenty of kids grow up without that exposure.
So it depends on your requirement of art to tell ALL stories or the stories it wants to tell.
Neither of those resonated as realistic. And if they showed them, they clearly could have shown racial difficulty as part of the story, as those 2 characters would likely have been horribly harassed in the segregated communities you are referring to.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:33 pm to TROLA
quote:Yeah, I completely feel you on the remoteness of the time period now. In 1990, 1970 seemed virtually like the dark ages it was so distant.
It just won’t resonate the same.. that timeframe is 50 years ago and people, especially the targeted youth audience won’t relate in any way.. it would be better to tell a story of black families suburban experience in the 90’s with the dawn of the internet.. kids will at least have a relatable experience.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:34 pm to SSpaniel
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Will be the most boring show ever
Drew Carey show was about a geeky white guy who worked in the back office of a department store in Cleveland.
It worked. All about the talent and writing.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:38 pm to lsuwontonwrap
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The official description for the show: "How a black middle-class family in Montgomery, Alabama in the turbulent late 1960’s, the same era as the original series, made sure it was The Wonder Years for them too."
Ok I guess I’ll be the one upvote
I think it actually sounds cool to able to see new stories within TWY universe.
I’m just glad it’s not a reboot in the sense that Kevin Arnold is now being portrayed by a young black kid, but just another perspective from the same time period, of which there would have obviously been many.
The one thing I dislike is that they name the specific town. TWY was purposefully set in Anytown, USA, and I think that would have been even more effective showing a black perspective.
Setting it in the Deep South will give it an out as “oh that’s just how it was in the South” when that experience would have been just as true/intriguing for a black family growing up in New Jersey, Cleveland, or Sacramento.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Well, that made the black inclusion all the more awkward, then. In one episode, the middle school baseball coach was black - and turned out to be a war buddy of Jack. In another, Kevin had a young, black female English teacher who was so iconoclastic that she fully challenged the school administration by doing things that were still ruffling feathers in 1992 with just white people, much less 1972.
Neither of those resonated as realistic. And if they showed them, they clearly could have shown racial difficulty as part of the story, as those 2 characters would likely have been horribly harassed in the segregated communities you are referring to.
Or were there places where these things did happen like this?
The problem is, people seem to want to conflate all stories from all places, in one place, rather than just tell one story in one place.
Again, just depends on your approach. The Wonder years seemed real because it was focused. You remove it from reality more as soon as you start saying that "Everything that happened in culture has to happen in this place."
It's hard for any art to do that.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:39 pm to lsuwontonwrap
They can try their best but there will only ever be one Wayne Arnold.
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:40 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Seems like ground already covered.
A retrospective coming of age story of a black kid and family growing up in the 60s narrated by his adult self? Which series was that?
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:40 pm to lsuwontonwrap
I'd love for it to be good but unless they fall in line BLM will blow it the hell up after the first episode. Good luck
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Yeah, I completely feel you on the remoteness of the time period now. In 1990, 1970 seemed virtually like the dark ages it was so distant.
It still amazes me that it was only 20 years.
but the when I think about it.. in general I was going through and doing the same things as Kevin... we played in the streets, we rode our bikes everywhere.. we had these weird awkward parties with girls.. we spent high school driving around and just hanging out looking for friends at different spots.. it was all very relatable.. I even had an a-hole older brother just like Wayne that kicked the shite out of me.. the only real differences were the infancy of video games and the styles...huge differences.. of course the household roles had changed some but even so, the house was run by mom even if she worked and dad was the supposed bread winner who came hime to a cocktail and stress Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:41 pm to Freauxzen
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Would have been cool before all of this lunacy....
Now, it will probably drip with BLM-driven agendas.
Yeah I can agree with that. But that will be the case with most new projects I’ll guess.
Would have been nice to see this from a 2019 perspective for sure.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Just make your own god damn show and call it whatever the hell you want. There's no need to remake old shows.
In general I agree. But there is room for more stories to be told in many of the greats. TWY structure is definitely a classic and I’ll be happy for that feel again. Hopefully anyway
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:45 pm to wareaglepete
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I’m going to remake Good Times with an all white cast. Set in the 70s and will follow the trials and tribulations of a suburban apartment building dwelling family living in Des Moines.
Not Des Moines, but I loved that show
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:46 pm to Midget Death Squad
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The Woker Years
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
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It's a shame too, because I just finished a full re-watch. And the only thing I noticed "different" this time around was how conspicuously absent the topic of race was for the duration of the series.
The series had episodes about feminism, women's lib, war, politics, sex, divorce etc. But literally nothing about race. It's a glaring omission.
I hope with Savage involved this can be a strident effort at producing something good, but I'm worried. Of course, for a lot of people on this site, if it just showed any white racism, it will be "BLM-driven" stuff.
Agree with all of this.
It actually fits really well into the universe and spirit of the show imo.
And Savage is a good director. I’ll remain hopeful.
Of course this likely won’t be seen for over a year at the earliest, so the atmosphere will have settled by then hopefully and it can be a genuine effort to recapture the heart of the series.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 5:53 pm to Freauxzen
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This is probably true. But there was still a lot of legit segregation at the time, so it's kind of obvious why they left it out. There were, and still are, many communities that have 0 african americans. The show doesn't HAVE to show anything, plenty of kids grow up without that exposure.
So it depends on your requirement of art to tell ALL stories or the stories it wants to tell.
Also true.
Although many kids grew up without exposure to the struggles of feminism or even Vietnam as well. But a 100+ episode series telling a story of growing up in the 60s could have given at least one half hour to racial issues, no matter how suburbanized the focus.
I’m assuming he’s right. I can’t remember if they did or not off the top of my head, and I haven’t done a rewatch in years.
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