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Posted on 11/29/20 at 9:16 pm to
Posted by Frac the world
The Centennial State
Member since Oct 2014
20799 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 9:16 pm to
Well they took on us on a little who done it ride there for a little bit. But the reveal was always the title of the series. Just a show about the undoing of a family and a marriage. Kind of a let down imo
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4784 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 9:20 pm to
Kind of a let down but I still enjoyed the show overall. Hugh grant being the killer was the most obvious outcome so really it’s more of a story about a sociopath to me.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71361 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 9:46 pm to
Good show but ending was a letdown. So many different ways to provide for a good final twist and it was Henry all along. Feel kind of cheated.
This post was edited on 11/29/20 at 9:46 pm
Posted by Broken Coyote
Seated. Facing forward
Member since Dec 2010
3198 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 10:36 pm to
Agree with those who say the finale was a let down. I guess the entire plot was the wife working up the nerve to go against the husband. Curious ending. Not terrible, yet not satisfying at all.

Genius husband was a total dumbass. Commits murder, takes his murder clothes to the cleaner, instead of destroying them. Then takes the murder weapon to the beach house, by the sea, and hides the damn murder weapon in an old outdoor BBQ? There’s an ocean, and I sure bridges over rivers, yet he hides the murder weapon in the damn BBQ.

This show is an example of why I hate police procedurals. The murder suit would have been found irl, trace evidence or not still on the suit. The beach house and property would have been searched inch by inch, because he was fracking arrested there. Anyway, the wife’s ordeal was interesting, so I guess that’s the point.

Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
66533 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 10:39 pm to
It was a letdown in the sense we were all waiting for a twist that was never really advertised. Now knowing the end and looking back at all of Jonathan’s actions and deflections, I can see how it’s a story about how easy it would be to fall under the spell of a true sociopath. He manipulated everyone. Everyone except the attorney. The scene where she tells him he lost Grace when he didn’t get rid of the fricking hammer was brilliantly done. It showed she saw through him all along.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
37953 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 11:55 pm to
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He manipulated everyone. Everyone except the attorney. The scene where she tells him he lost Grace when he didn’t get rid of the fricking hammer was brilliantly done.

That was amazing. The only twist was that the defense attorney knew the truth from the start.
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:13 am to
Will sum this show up as meh. Wouldn't recommend but it helped kill some time.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:15 am to
I thought it was really good. Initially, I was a bit let down by the ending because I was expecting a twist that didn't materialize. But then I have to remind myself that just about EVERY mystery/thriller has a twist these days, so I respect their decision to buck that trend. If you think about it, not having a twist WAS the twist.
Posted by OSoBad
Member since Nov 2016
2007 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:46 am to
I thought the show was good, the ending was very meh. Who the hell is allowed to just land a helicopter on a bridge like that? Then just fly away without any questions from cops?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
37953 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:53 am to
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But then I have to remind myself that just about EVERY mystery/thriller has a twist these days, so I respect their decision to buck that trend.
I think that they thought of the wife torpedoing the defense as their big "twist", but anyone could've seen that it was a terrible idea to have her testify. It being intentionally damaging didn't add much to it.
Posted by Vood
Member since Dec 2007
8553 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:33 pm to
I hated the ending and it kinda ruined the entire series for me. How in the world did she not get him to school, who was in charge of him that morning? Was Henry by himself so his mom could prep for her big day?

I just don't buy that the fact that the person they said did it actually did. It all felt too forced and I could have believed that 3 others could have done it before the Johnathan.

Weak weak ending. They should have let him jump from the bridge.
Posted by USMCTIGER1970
BATON ROUGE
Member since Mar 2017
2371 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:11 pm to
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Weak weak ending. They should have let him jump from the bridge.


Definitely should have let him jump. Also would have been nice if they had stretched it out a couple of more episodes, to give us more of Elena's backstory leading up to her death. She seems to have had an agenda to ruin his life with his current family.

Clearly she was Bat Shite Crazy!!
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
54216 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:12 pm to
There is no way he would have been out on bail under any circumstances.
Posted by USMCTIGER1970
BATON ROUGE
Member since Mar 2017
2371 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:15 pm to
Didn't the father-in-law pay like $10 million in bail to get him out?
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
11789 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 1:18 pm to
That was rushed as hell. What was the point of Elena's lesbian advances on Grace? What was the point of Haley calling her son to the stand? For a minute I thought oh shite he did it. It's like they were told after filming the next to last episode there was only going to be one more instead of three so they just said ah frick it Jonathan did it, the end. I've never been much of a Hugh Grant fan but I was really enjoying his bad guy turn and would've like to have seen more of that than the repeated close ups of Nicole's bloated face and fake tears eye balm
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
66533 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:16 pm to
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They should have let him jump from the bridge.

He was never going to jump. Well, if the writers were worth their salt, he was never going to jump. A true narcissistic sociopath wouldn't care enough or have enough empathetic feelings to jump. It was always about the attention. He knew he wasn't going to make it to Canada. He did it to draw even more attention to himself.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36528 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 2:30 pm to
Still annoyed that they never brought up the fact that he lied about going on a trip that was planned for that day, and instead he just "ran away" to the beach house. That fact makes it seem like it was premeditated, though I know that's not what the "story" is. In "real life" that would've been brought up to portray premeditation.

Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4784 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:09 pm to
Yep the “conference trip” plot hole is the biggest plot hole that bugs me. Portrayal of courtroom proceedings get messed up in movies/tv all the time, so while annoying, I can get over that. The conference thing is irritating that it never got pulled into the story more...especially with the ending showing that the murder was not pre meditated. Why was he saying he was going to be out of town the day after he killed her before he ever knew he was going to kill her? At least close that loop in some way.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
37953 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 4:17 pm to
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There is no way he would have been out on bail under any circumstances.
Wow. You supposedly bludgeon your mistress in the face repeatedly with a sledge hammer and then run away and hide so that the police can't find you and suddenly you're a "flight risk"?

What's this country coming to?
Posted by Ash Williams
South of i-10
Member since May 2009
18551 posts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:00 pm to
I found it wild that they had a jury trial 3 months after the actual murder

That was the most quickly prosecuted case in history

Not to mention, if he'd just been convicted after Grace's testimony instead of taking off with Henry, the second season of The Undoing wouldve started with his winning his appeal due to the tomfoolery that the judge allowed.

"Declaration against interest" only works as a Hearsay exception when it's the DEFENDANT'S declaration, not his mom's.
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