re: The Revenge of the Sith is a better movie than the Force Awakens

All I know is don't frick with Obi Wan when he has the high ground. I still say Palpatine should have kicked Anakin in the lava and should have gone after Obi Wan instead.

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the whole recycled deathstar trope (

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As I said before, at least they used it.

It had actual and realized evil potential, and it did its job.

I would've complained if they stopped it before it was ever used, but the damn thing leveled an entire group of planets and a solar system.

That was my biggest knock on Avengers Age of Ultron. Ultron never killed anyone he was never a true threat. You knew the Avengers would stop him before he really did any harm. They basically saved every single person he tried to kill. They always do this. It's the major problem in the Marvel Universe as a whole.

At least in the Star Wars Universe there are consequences and Evil occasionally does its job. In Star Wars the Empire and First Order continue to build these weapons because they work. Sure, they only get one use, but it's a damn huge use. They leveled entire cities and planets with the Death Star before the rebels destroyed it. And they damn near destroyed every ship in the rebel fleet with the second one.

In TFA, they literally destroy an entire solar system before the rebels stop them.

Why wouldn't they continue to build those weapons?

I think what people fail to realize is how episode 8 and 9 will determine just where 7 fits into the big picture. All I know is that I had a lot of fun watching TFA and didn't feel like I had to talk myself into it being better than it was like with the prequels. It regained my interest and we will see how it tees the story up for the next two.

The first half of ROTS is so awful, but the last half is excellent.

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The first half of ROTS is so awful, but the last half is excellent.

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"Where's Padme"

"She's dead you cripple bitch"

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"


That and Spider-Man 3's emo Peter are two of my biggest WTF moments at the movies

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The Force Awakens is looking worse and worse as time separates nostalgia from bad film-making

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Yeah... I remember fiercely clinging to the belief that Ep 1 The Phantom Menace was good, because it was the first new Star Wars movie in awhile.

I'm getting the same vibe, the same lingering questions about The Force Awakens.

Things that bugged me at the time, that took me out of the momemt, aren't getting better or more tolerable. Things like Han Solo doing silly things- shooting a trooper in a battle without turning his head, getting giddy about Chewie's bowcaster etc.
Star Wars was adventurous, but was serious in it's own way, up until the Ewoks. That kiddie bit infected the following movies in a terrible way.

Also, some of the visual effects just don't work for me- Poe's X Wing doing 100 G turns all over the place. In the battle where they take Rey (I forget the planet), there's a scene where the camera barely pans, and Poe's fighter never leaves the field of view. It's too much.

The Starkiller Base parts are annoying too- looks cool, crumbles rapidly when you even begin to think about it. Did the planet move? If not, why did the star become bright again, after the first shot? And of course, watching the shot travel (how far? light years?) across the sky like that, just becomes an annoyance.

And hell, I don't even quite know who each side is. "Read the books", some people say... but I never needed books to know the Rebellion was against the Empire, or the Empire evolved from the Republic. I have little clue what the First Order is, other than they seem to use Imperial inspired gear, and who the Resistance is. Who are they resisting... there's a New Republic (although apparently not for long).
I mean, I guess the Empire could have split up and Balkanized, but that isn't made clear in the movie. The only thing made clear, is that Han, Luke and others have made legendary status in some parts, and that Ren idolizes Darth Vader.

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Hayden Christenson was just so bad.

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The only non Star Wars movie I've seen him in was Jumper and I don't recall him being particularly awful in that. And in the Prequels, EVERYONE is awful. Everyone. Liam Neeson, Samuel L, Ewen McGregor, Natalie Portman...it's a combination of atrocious dialogue and having no real stage. Like everything was filmed against a green screen.

No. Harrison Ford alone makes TFA better. Dialogue was worse in ROTS. TFA had some actual scenes I enjoyed. Can't say that about ROTS. They clubbed every big scene in that movie.

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You'd be hard pressed to find a single line, or even a word, that he delivered on. For a movie with so much potential and some other good points, that's a huge statement.

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